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December 1, 2025
E0801. 对话徐荣：“中试+概念验证”助技术转移跨“死亡之谷”
<p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><img data-key="0" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/8739-audiofreehighqps/35/CE/GKwRIRwNAv7ZAAnFOAQ_h-Qu.png!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/8739-audiofreehighqps/35/CE/GKwRIRwNAv7ZAAnFOAQ_h-Qu.png?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/8739-audiofreehighqps/35/CE/GKwRIRwNAv7ZAAnFOAQ_h-Qu.png!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="421.875" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/8739-audiofreehighqps/35/CE/GKwRIRwNAv7ZAAnFOAQ_h-Qu.png!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="78.75"><br></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>| 嘉宾 |</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>■ 受访者：徐荣 复旦大学生物学博士、科创界TechIn创始人、莘泽智星港合伙人、原上海技术交易所副总裁、复旦大学国际金融学院技术转移专业（MTT）课程行业导师</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>| 内容 |</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>当前，我国技术转移已步入深水区。我们不缺乏优质的科研成果，也不乏广阔的应用市场，真正的挑战在于连接两者的系统性鸿沟——这既是科学家与企业家之间的信任与语言鸿沟，也是实验室成果与市场需求之间的定位与验证鸿沟，更是当前以财政为主的资金与未来所需的耐心资本之间的鸿沟。而 2025 年 11 月工信部推动的中试平台全国性布局，正为填补这些鸿沟注入政策动能，让技术转移的“最后一公里”有了更坚实的依托。</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;"><span>01:15</span></a><span> 跨越从实验室到市场的信任鸿沟</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;"><span>05:40</span></a><span> 从概念到商业：始于定位，行于定力</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;"><span>16:45</span></a><span> 引入耐心资本：依托制度包容与人才融合</span></p><hr style="border:0px;margin:20px 0px;background:#ddd;display:inline-block;width:100%;border-style:solid;height:1px;"><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>欢迎添加小助手微信FFReview2018，加入听友群。第一时间收获经济热点轻解读、在线金融大师课。为了营造更好的讨论环境，我们准备了两个小问题，请在添加小助手后回答：</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>1. 关于金融方面，您最喜欢/推荐的一本书？</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>2. 您希望听到《财经相对论》聊哪些话题？</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>策划/采访：潘 琦</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>制作/运营：葛雯瑄</span></p>
November 11, 2025
E0701. 张虎来对话布鲁诺·罗奇：迈向互惠经济学——从利润最大化到价值共生
<p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><img data-key="0" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/61cf-audiofreehighqps/71/A6/GKwRIJIM6F6iAAG52AQz0f8j.png!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/61cf-audiofreehighqps/71/A6/GKwRIJIM6F6iAAG52AQz0f8j.png?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/61cf-audiofreehighqps/71/A6/GKwRIJIM6F6iAAG52AQz0f8j.png!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="187.5" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/61cf-audiofreehighqps/71/A6/GKwRIJIM6F6iAAG52AQz0f8j.png!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="35"><br></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>| 嘉宾 |</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>■采访者：张虎来 复旦大学国际金融学院金融学助理教授</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>■被访者：布鲁诺·罗奇（Bruno Roche） 互惠经济学奠基人、玛氏公司前首席经济学家</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>| 内容 |</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>当前，我们正面临一个根本性的矛盾：新自由主义资本主义带来了巨大的物质繁荣，却也造成了日益严重的社会分化和环境危机。在这样的背景下，商学院长期推崇的“股东利益至上”理念，是否反而成为了我们迈向未来的阻碍？</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>“互惠经济学”正是对这个根本问题的回应。它不是一个简单的修补方案，而是一次彻底的重构——主张将社会、人力和自然资本真正融入企业的价值核心，重新定义商业的基本逻辑。互惠经济学奠基人、玛氏公司前首席经济学家布鲁诺·罗奇（Bruno Roche）对话复旦大学国际金融学院金融学助理教授张虎来，既搭建起完整的理论框架，又以玛氏、诺和诺德等企业的鲜活实践为注脚，将理念转化为可度量、可复制、可盈利的新增长曲线。从打破认知壁垒到推动政策变革，为所有探索可持续发展的管理者，指明了一条切实可行的路径。</span></p><span><br></span><br><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>欢迎添加小助手微信FFReview2018，加入听友群。第一时间收获经济热点轻解读、在线金融大师课。为了营造更好的讨论环境，我们准备了两个小问题，请在添加小助手后回答：</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>1. 关于金融方面，您最喜欢/推荐的一本书？</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>2. 您希望听到《财经相对论》聊哪些话题？</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>策划/采访：潘 琦</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>制作/运营：葛雯瑄</span></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>联系我们：FFReview2018（微信）</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>微博@复旦金融评论</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>小红书@复旦国金FFR</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>期待与您交流~</span></p>
September 2, 2025
E0601. 对话徐熠：从竞争到协同，以新能源产业政策探寻全球共识
<p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><img data-key="0" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/6d3c-audiofreehighqps/FD/2A/GKwRIJEMjDorAAsPHAQGVwTC.png!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/6d3c-audiofreehighqps/FD/2A/GKwRIJEMjDorAAsPHAQGVwTC.png?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/6d3c-audiofreehighqps/FD/2A/GKwRIJEMjDorAAsPHAQGVwTC.png!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="421.875" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/6d3c-audiofreehighqps/FD/2A/GKwRIJEMjDorAAsPHAQGVwTC.png!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="78.75"><br></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>| 嘉宾 |</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>徐熠 复旦大学国际金融学院经济学特聘教授、杜克大学经济学教授、美国国家经济研究局研究员</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>| 内容 |</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>在全球贸易单边主义抬头、各国产业政策分化的背景下，他和研究者将目光聚焦于新能源产业政策，通过分析中美欧在补贴、贸易壁垒等方面的实践及效果差异，探寻全球共识和可持续发展目标。</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>00:06</span><span> 政策需量体裁衣</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>07:42</span><span> 政策选择</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>25:02</span><span> 打开创新之门</span></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>| 更多节目 |</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><span>E0502. 对话陈凯迹：发挥住房财富效应，促进消费与代际平衡</span></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><span>E0501. 对话陈凯迹：房地产市场研究——从泡沫分析转向消费预期</span></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><span>E0401. 对话吴欢：国有书店破局之路</span></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><span>E0301. 对话张奇：从实验室到市场——大模型产业化之路</span></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><span>E0201. 对话丁磊：从AIGC的飞轮效应，到伟大的商业模式</span></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><span>E0102. 对话杜雨：ChatGPT热潮下的创投冷思考（下）用户第一还是技术优先</span></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><span>E0101. 对话杜雨：ChatGPT热潮下的创投冷思考（上）ChatGPT的制胜之道</span></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>| FFR TALK |</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><span>T001. 张乃根：知识产权保护下，出海企业如何提升竞争力（AI）</span></span></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>欢迎添加小助手微信FFReview2018，加入听友群。第一时间收获经济热点轻解读、在线金融大师课。为了营造更好的讨论环境，我们准备了两个小问题，请在添加小助手后回答：</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>1. 关于金融方面，您最喜欢/推荐的一本书？</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>2. 您希望听到《财经相对论》聊哪些话题？</span></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>策划/采访：潘 琦</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>制作/运营：葛雯瑄</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>收听方式：您可以通过苹果播客、喜马拉雅、小宇宙、网易云音乐、QQ音乐等平台收听节目</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>联系我们：FFReview2018（微信）</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>微博@复旦金融评论</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>小红书@复旦国金FFR</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>期待与您交流~</span></p>
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