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We are led to believe that the education system will continually evolve to meet the needs of learners and society. This has not happened. We need a revolution!

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Episode thumbnail for How AI is for more than just teachers and students in education with Chris Loveday (#350)

June 29, 2026

How AI is for more than just teachers and students in education with Chris Loveday (#350)

<p>What if the most important people in your school or college never set foot in a classroom?In this milestone 350th episode of the Edufuturists podcast, we sit down with Chris Loveday for a conversation years in the making - one that reframes who really drives an education organisation.Chris Loveday is Deputy Principal for Digital, Data and Funding at City of Portsmouth College, and the author of Operational Intelligence: The Power of Digital, Data and AI. His route into education leadership is anything but conventional - from leisure assistant on a school site, to running a 5,000-capacity music festival, to senior leadership in schools, sixth form and FE. That breadth is exactly what makes his thinking on systems, data and AI so distinctive.<u><strong>We cover:</strong></u>- Why &quot;co-professionals&quot; - the people who support learning beyond the classroom - are often the unsung backbone of education- The real value and untapped potential of Further Education in the UK- Why schools and colleges are &quot;data rich but insight poor&quot; and how to fix it- Using live data and AI to spot at-risk learners early and actually measure whether interventions work- Moving from &quot;can we?&quot; to &quot;should we?&quot; - guardrails, ethics and red-teaming AI in education- Building one of the UK&#39;s first student digital assistants - safely, at scale, for 5,000 students- Practical first steps: auditing legacy systems, writing a digital strategy, and getting an AI policy in place- Freeing humans up to be human by automating the mundaneWhether you&#39;re a teacher, school or college leader, EdTech professional, or someone working in operations, IT, data or finance, this episode will change how you think about the systems that hold education together and the people who run them.<u><strong>Chapters</strong></u>00:00 Highlights01:49 Welcome to Episode 35002:57 Meet Chris Loveday: an unconventional journey into education06:30 What is FE — and why it matters more than people realise11:29 Running a 5,000-capacity music festival13:23 Challenging convention and the power of rebel ideas16:28 Why he wrote Operational Intelligence — and why now18:44 Data rich, insight poor: the problem with education data23:30 Data with context: the story behind the numbers25:10 AI, natural language and at-risk early warning systems28:19 IT as a service: ego, vision and working in tandem38:25 From &quot;can we?&quot; to &quot;should we?&quot;: ethics and guardrails42:14 Building one of the UK&#39;s first student digital assistants45:10 Solving the workforce crisis: freeing humans to be human49:55 Practical first steps you can take tomorrow53:07 Quickfire questionsThanks so much for joining us again for another episode - we appreciate you.</p><p>Ben &amp; Steve x<a href="https://chrisloveday.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Find out more about Chris</a><a href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/Operational-Intelligence-Chris-Loveday/dp/1836156626" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Get a copy of his latest book, Operational Intelligence</a><a href="https://www.edufuturists.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Check out all about Edufuturists</a>Want to sponsor future episodes or get involved with the Edufuturists work?<a href="mailto:info@edufuturists.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Get in touch</a><a href="https://www.crownhouse.co.uk/picknmix-education" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Grab your copy of the new Pick &#39;n&#39; Mix Education book</a></p>

Episode thumbnail for What if the lessons that look most like play are actually the most serious teaching happening in your school? with Shahneila Saeed

June 22, 2026

What if the lessons that look most like play are actually the most serious teaching happening in your school? with Shahneila Saeed

<p>In this episode of the Edufuturists podcast, Ben and Steve sit down with Shahneila Saeed for an extended version of a conversation that began at the Brilliant Festival. They dig into why play-based learning is rigorous pedagogy, how computing can be taught without a single computer, and what the games industry can teach the classroom about preparing young people for the world as it actually is.</p><p>Shahneila Saeed is Head of Education at Ukie, the trade association for the UK&#39;s video games industry, and the founder and director of the Digital Schoolhouse programme. A former IT and computing teacher, she is also the author of How to Raise a Tech Genius.</p><p><strong>We cover:</strong></p><ul><li>Why play is serious pedagogy, not a break from real learning</li><li>How &quot;Just Dance with the Algorithm&quot; teaches programming concepts through dance</li><li>Teaching in-game AI with nothing more than a playground and some beach balls</li><li>The classroom with no computers that reshaped Shahneila&#39;s entire approach</li><li>Motivation, failure, and the problem with the GCSE &quot;finish line&quot;</li><li>Whether schools are really preparing children for the jobs that exist right now</li><li>What industry actually says about the skills graduates are missing</li><li>Game IP in the classroom, and how to use it without losing the pedagogy</li><li>Digital Schoolhouse as a bridge between the games industry and education</li><li>How parents can support computing and tech learning at home, including free resources</li></ul><p>Whether you&#39;re a teacher, school leader, edtech professional, or a parent trying to make sense of your child&#39;s screen time, this conversation will change how you think about play, computing, and the gap between school and the real world. Expect practical, low-cost ideas you can use on Monday morning, free resources you can access today, and a sharp case for why engagement has to come before assessment.</p><p><strong>Chapters:</strong></p><p>00:00 Highlights</p><p>02:01 Welcome and the new Edufuturists book</p><p>03:42 From IT teacher to Ukie and Digital Schoolhouse</p><p>06:02 The classroom with no computers</p><p>10:36 Why play is serious pedagogy</p><p>12:56 Just Dance with the Algorithm</p><p>15:13 Teaching game AI with a game of dodgeball</p><p>16:24 Motivation, failure and the GCSE &quot;finish line&quot;</p><p>24:01 Computational thinking at home</p><p>27:44 Are we preparing kids for jobs that exist now?</p><p>28:34 What industry really says about graduate skills</p><p>32:08 What is Game IP and why it works in the classroom</p><p>36:14 Digital Schoolhouse as a bridge to industry</p><p>41:10 Parents, tech and the home conversation</p><p>46:14 Quick-fire questions</p><p>Thanks so much for joining us again for another episode - we appreciate you.</p><p>Ben &amp; Steve x</p><p><a href="https://www.digitalschoolhouse.org.uk/workshop⁠" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Book  a Digital Schoolhouse workshop</a></p><p><a href="https://www.digitalschoolhouse.org.uk/resources⁠" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Digital Schoolhouse free computing resources</a></p><p><a href="https://PCC-2026.eventbrite.co.uk" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Digital Schoolhouse Playful Computing Conference</a><br><a href="https://www.edufuturists.com" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Check out all about Edufuturists</a></p><p>Want to sponsor future episodes or get involved with the Edufuturists work?<a href="mailto:info@edufuturists.com" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Get in touch</a><a href="https://www.crownhouse.co.uk/picknmix-education" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Grab your copy of the new Pick &#39;n&#39; Mix Education book</a></p>

Episode thumbnail for What are the blockers to true education transformation with Prof Sara de Freitas (#348)

June 15, 2026

What are the blockers to true education transformation with Prof Sara de Freitas (#348)

<p>In this episode, Ben and Steve sit down with Professor Sara de Freitas for an extended conversation following their meeting at the Brilliant Festival in Liverpool. It&#39;s a wide-ranging discussion about immersive learning, the bloated curriculum, serious games, assessment reform, and why the UK&#39;s response to AI in education has been so fractured.Sara is one of the few people to have led at every level of education. She&#39;s an international researcher in digital technologies who set up three research labs, including the Serious Games Institute at Coventry University. She&#39;s served as Deputy Vice Chancellor in both Australia and the UK, ran the largest school in the UK during lockdown (including a separate provision for excluded children), and is currently a governor at the University of Sunderland. In June 2024 she founded Waypoint, building immersive, co-designed classroom tools with teachers and partners including the UK Space Agency.<u>We cover:</u>- Why universities pivoted seamlessly during COVID while primary schools struggled, and what that reveals about infrastructure and mindset- The &quot;bloated curriculum&quot; problem: too much content, not enough time for skills, creativity, and group work- Serious games and game-based learning, from Sara&#39;s 2010 study to today&#39;s evidence base- Why data alone never changes minds, and the hearts-and-minds work every transformation needs- The false binary of rigour versus fun, and why good teachers refuse to choose- The generational split that made boards, not teachers, the real blockers to innovation- Why the UK&#39;s AI in education response is so inconsistent, and the strange logic of &quot;students can use AI but teachers can&#39;t&quot;- Sara&#39;s blended pedagogic model (learn, explore, apply, reflect) and the case for cutting curriculum by a third- Connecting primary, secondary, FE, and HE on one safe, shared backbone- Three quick-fire questions to close, including what would change if schools were judged like restaurants<u><strong>Why listen? </strong></u>If you&#39;re a teacher, school leader, or anyone working in EdTech and wondering how to move past the AI panic and the curriculum overload toward something genuinely better, this conversation offers both the research and the realism. Sara has lived every side of this debate, and she makes the case that meaningful change comes not from one giant leap but from everyone taking one small step forward.<u><strong>Chapters</strong></u>00:00 00:00 Highlights01:25 Intro and World Cup sticker chaos03:42 Meet Professor Sara de Freitas04:12 A career across schools, universities, and two continents08:34 The sea change in emerging technology09:33 COVID, resilience, and the primary school infrastructure gap14:00 The bloated curriculum and the case for a research council16:04 Has university really changed?23:18 Serious games: the research journey25:39 The 2010 study and why evidence isn&#39;t enough27:56 The generational split and boards as blockers31:12 Rigour versus fun: a false dichotomy35:13 Hearts, minds, and play-based learning37:09 Why the UK&#39;s AI response is so fractured39:00 Blended learning done properly40:43 The optimal blend and rethinking assessment42:57 AI in education and the shutters coming down45:46 Quick-fire questions50:28 Wrap-upThanks so much for joining us again for another episode - we appreciate you.Ben &amp; Steve xRead the Research Report that Sara mentioned <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7424019090882588672/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">here</a></p><p>Order her latest book - Education in Computer Generated Environments (foreword by Sir Anthony Seldon) at <a href="https://www.routledge.com/Education-in-Computer-Generated-Environments/deFreitas/p/book/9781138478183" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Routledge</a> or <a href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/Education-Computer-Generated-Environments-Routledge/dp/0415634024" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Amazon</a><a href="https://www.edufuturists.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Check out all about Edufuturists</a>Want to sponsor future episodes or get involved with the Edufuturists work?<a href="mailto:info@edufuturists.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Get in touch:</a><a href="edufuturists.com/uprising26" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Get your tickets for Edufuturists Uprising 2026</a><a href="https://www.crownhouse.co.uk/picknmix-education" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Grab your copy of the new Pick &#39;n&#39; Mix Education book</a></p>

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