Future Fluent
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<p>What changes for us, as writers, as creators, as thinkers – as humans – when there are more AI bots in the world than people? </p><br><p>Telling stories about our lives and the world around us is one of the most intimate and powerful practices that we, as humans, have. And even though artificial intelligence has existed in some form for decades, only with the emergence of chatbots has AI become a storytelling machine. </p><br><p>So what does AI mean for human literacy? What changes when algorithmic intelligence tells stories about ourselves and our world? Should we let it? And really, who is telling the story–and why? </p><br><p>Join Dr. Jeremy Roschelle, the lead learning scientist at Digital Promise, and Betsy Corcoran, a journalist and founder of EdSurge, as they explore with writers, researchers, teachers and even policy makers the potential – both positive and negative – for AI, for literacy, and for us. </p><br><p>Please join the conversation<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/futurefluent-podcast/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> here on our LinkedIn page.</a></p><p><br></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>
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Recent Episodes
June 10, 2026
How AI Could Help Learners Thrive
<p>The backlash against screens (and technology in school broadly) is growing, and with good reason. In this episode of Future Fluent, Betsy and Jeremy explore with Dr. Babak Mostaghimi of Learner Studio what it takes to build technology, including AI-based tutors, that bring people together rather than isolating them. The bottom-line question: Learning should help people thrive: How could AI be designed to do that?</p><br><p><br></p><p>Oh, it’s hard to be human these days! Start with reading all about it. </p><p><br></p><ul><li>Babak Mostaghimi is part of the Learner Studio team. The team <a href="https://learnerstudio.org/anthology/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">published a collection of pieces (including one by Betsy!) called “Bringing the Future Into Focus</a>.” And check out Mostaghimi’s piece, “<a href="https://learnerstudio.org/how-can-ai-be-used-as-a-tool-for-learning-beyond-more-efficiency-toward-current-outcomes/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">How can AI be used as tool for learning, beyond more efficiency toward current outcomes</a>?” </li></ul><p> </p><ul><li>Michelle Culver created <a href="https://www.therithmproject.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Rithm Project,</a> a nonprofit, to “think out loud about what it means to be human–together–in an AI age.” <a href="https://therithmproject.substack.com/p/welcome-to-the-rithm-project" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Her substack is here.</a> </li></ul><p><br></p><ul><li>Julia Freeland Fisher, director of education research at the Christensen Institute, has written extensively on the value of networks. Check out this report: <a href="https://whoyouknow.org/relationship-mapping/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Students’ hidden networks: Relationship mapping as a strategy to build asset-based pathways.</a></li></ul><p><br></p><ul><li>We talked about the work going on at<a href="https://www.okolabs.ai/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> OKO Labs in teaching math. </a>And the <a href="https://edges.ideo.com/posts/what-is-the-future-design-language-of-robots" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">work reimagining robots that’s going on at IDEO.</a> </li></ul><p><br></p><ul><li>McKinsey Global has been reporting on the future of work here:“<a href="https://www.mckinsey.com/featured-insights/future-of-work/jobs-lost-jobs-gained-what-the-future-of-work-will-mean-for-jobs-skills-and-wages" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jobs lost, jobs gained: What the future of work will mean for jobs, skills, and wages.” </a>The World Economic Forum has this set of stories about <a href="https://www.weforum.org/stories/artificial-intelligence/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">the role Artificial Intelligence may play in the world here. </a></li></ul><p><br></p><ul><li>Dan Meyer, who never pulls his punches, <a href="https://danmeyer.substack.com/p/everyone-in-edtech-should-show-their" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">put up this challenge in his Substack</a>: “I’d like to see from everyone engaged in this discourse: one (1) stationary video of a full classroom session.” The challenge is on! </li></ul><p><br></p><p><br></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>
May 19, 2026
An Innovative Teacher Designs a 'Driver's License' for AI
<p>Do we – or don’t we? Teachers are both under pressure to press 'pause' on AI in the classroom and to prepare students for the future with AI. On this episode of Future Fluent, Jeremy and Betsy connect with Mike Taubman, a veteran teacher at Uncommon School in New Jersey to explore how he's bringing decades of hard-earned pedagogical insights to bear in guiding his students into AI usage. As a long-time English teacher and career advisor, nothing is more precious to Taubman than face time with students. But he also wants them to be able to go under the hood and understand the assumptions and mechanics of AI. His solution: To start building an “AI Driver’s License” for high school students. Taubman shares what's working--and what's under construction--along with why Newark's Mayor Ras J. Baraka recently stopped by Taubman's class. Spoiler alert: Taubman wasn't the one who invited him. </p><br><p>LEARN MORE!</p><br><p>Mike Taubman got his start as an English teacher–so, no surprise, you can follow his work by reading both what he writes and what he likes to read. </p><br><p>Taubman writes frequent updates about his classes and other experiences on his <a href="https://aiwaypoints.substack.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Substack, AI Waypoints</a>. (Browse here for details about the “<a href="https://aiwaypoints.substack.com/p/theres-no-token-for-the-way-the-end" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AI Driver’s License</a>” curriculum Mike and fellow teacher, Scott Kern are developing as well as Mike’s exchange with<a href="https://aiwaypoints.substack.com/p/engaging-with-ai-counterarguments" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> protesters at the 2026 ASU-GSV meeting.</a>) The NYTimes wrote about<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/23/technology/ai-literacy-newark-school-chatbots.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> the AI Driver’s License here</a>. </p><br><p><a href="https://www.tapinto.net/towns/newark/sections/education/articles/north-star-academy-seniors-bring-newark-mayor-to-their-school" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Check out this fabulous story</a> about how two of Mike’s students convinced the Mayor of Newark, NJ, Ras J. Baraka, to visit their school and managed the whole visit. <a href="https://aiwaypoints.substack.com/p/special-agents" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Here’s Mike’s description</a> of the visit, too. </p><br><p>Books recommended by Taubman include: </p><ul><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lifecycle_of_Software_Objects" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Lifecycle of Software Objects</a> by Ted Chiang, a Hugo Award winning science fiction novella from 2010 that describes the “raising” of digital entities. It’s included in a compendium of Chiang’s work, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Exhalation-Stories-Ted-Chiang-ebook/dp/B07GD46PQZ/ref=sr_1_1?adgrpid=1339205726417224&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.aseytDV9eJAsXaTEzfjEvlnH69ld0jmcz89zCvdrlRqWJBDq13znIDQI43nj4VRvoOZgJ-PsTznG-sYZnMCpOSL3Vj8h3Nn5pwuD7qjHTv1wtPk1gwAV3MTWVQI7kn7xIG7vJo5jjMYHL2JCJBKZzYbujRN-aVyXffgVhqmD-vMfcCD-Z0jUv8tjx0exeY_x0Iz1wObMJymR-FEkjYqK0g_8LCIDjjtHk6TcKJfnobY.Z2doJZKpk95bEyHSh0VPGg9ZEDS0_PtHGUM0V5c2zJM&dib_tag=se&hvadid=83700597023033&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=86985&hvnetw=o&hvqmt=e&hvtargid=kwd-83700701499387%3Aloc-190&hydadcr=10021_13485517&keywords=exhalation+ted+chiang&mcid=2d88dbd40f3f37e68b8f1236ebb94096&msclkid=03f398479e6719d79b9cf24dfcc3ccf7&qid=1779065528&sr=8-1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Exhalation </a>(2019). </li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Ministry-Future-Kim-Stanley-Robinson/dp/0316300144/ref=sr_1_1?crid=YLPJ5ZC0U5OB&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.eLI9JKYn4E3q16yPP1I-maXwHs2noH2onYCC24kcg2-7aQMniSsJKxvCtuHSQxvlB9mzCPy1_dQ2qGE4mp0vpWZq6NlxJuyGKheYFnabYko4vKIHLUaxlVSdfue4qodlPbuUnMZNYCGmFBBy2aBINOsrWEZFEbZQG5KOh4IEivR7xnLyBCX61LgAowP-JWaqC2KMPdBbnRTdF-4nXyiQjF69YP0OfEAzCMdJqcf3CV8.zEyxBP6HuwbfU0NH4kt6SHLcWURH6wso_cKLw__ikf0&dib_tag=se&keywords=ministry+of+the+future&qid=1778615513&s=books&sprefix=ministry+of+the+future+%2Cstripbooks%2C154&sr=1-1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ministry for the Future</a> by Kim Stanley Robinson, published in 2021, is a fav of both the NYT’s Ezra Klein and Barack Obama. </li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Search-Deeper-Learning-Remake-American-ebook/dp/B07PBLJK33/ref=sr_1_1?crid=283FFH2LSLETM&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.KjqC8NBp3TYPHlG_0JXsXJJMXLyBAVzuxJEyhDmkYZb5nt2freGgAtlPE012lMzekhbOhkwRABEswQB3oWNJ8ai8eQCufO48Rs_cv6jPkLlF5HkaFRueiExm60KAYI55obaxE0ofgFUp6RX7SWXV2Jff-9n03atl_E4E6Ooy5CvxoScFRwF6FLZQox6-farh1YqoVtxRCaaECnkY-QwprzBQzuAonLYLAmDnGsNjjTU.AChWYHkz9fuXfl-ave4R4Q95cjvC8aEbUKkiDQ4HJSY&dib_tag=se&keywords=In+Search+of+Deeper+Learning&qid=1778615636&s=books&sprefix=in+search+of+deeper+learning%2Cstripbooks%2C163&sr=1-1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">In Search of Deeper Learning: The Quest to Remake the American High School</a>, by Jal Mehta and Sarah Fine from 2019, is an overview of the state of US high schools. </li></ul><p><br></p><p>And of course, <a href="https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=movie+Her+by+Spike+Jonze&&mid=57CF303C65F65C81A28557CF303C65F65C81A285&churl=https%3a%2f%2fwww.youtube.com%2fchannel%2fUCK5vE8vPXxJg_OH8ndxPhaQ&FORM=VAMGZC" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">the 2013 movie, “Her,” by Spike Jonze</a>. </p><br><p>We also talked about <a href="https://scale.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/The%20Evidence%20Base%20on%20AI%20in%20K-12%20Report.pdf" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this (meta) study from Stanford University on 800 academic papers</a> on the relevance of AI for K-12 education. </p><br><p>Finally, you can also <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPflr9VVzGM&t=75s" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">watch this segment on NBC’s Future Education</a> about Taubman’s colleague, teacher Scott Kern, who built chatbots to support his students. </p><br><p><br></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>
April 20, 2026
The Secret to Designing Powerful Learning Experiences
<p>What’s been the most powerful learning experience that you've had? Dr. Margaret Honey has helped build remarkable learning experiences–starting with the television show, The Voyage of the Mimi, through her work at the New York Hall of Sciences and most recently with the Scratch Foundation. Through it all, she’s held fast to several principles, starting with: Never fake it. And center activity around children’s curiosity not around rubrics or assessments. In this episode, Margaret shares with Jeremy and Betsy the triumphs, challenges and hard-won lessons learned of building memorable experiential learning environments–along with what changes in an AI-saturated world. (And, we also learn why actor Ben Affleck knows so much about humpback whales!) </p><br><p><strong>LEARN MORE!</strong></p><p><br></p><ul><li>The Voyage of the Mimi (with Ben Affleck) was a 13-episode television program created in the mid 1980s. (<a href="https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=voyage+of+the+mimi+youtube&&mid=2057F9521641CFFFEE302057F9521641CFFFEE30&churl=https%3a%2f%2fwww.youtube.com%2fchannel%2fUCnO8pdR7N5pUjXGTzCeD0vQ&FORM=VAMGZC" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Here’s episode 1</a>.) A crew of the ship, Mimi, explored the ocean, to carry out a census of humpback whales. In The Second Voyage of the Mimi, archaeologists searched for a lost Mayan city. </li></ul><p><br></p><ul><li>Here’s a video short on the <a href="https://www.design-io.com/projects/connectedworlds" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Connected Worlds exhibit </a>at the New York Hall of Science. (Better: <a href="https://nysci.org/exhibits" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Check out the exhibit at the museum</a>!) </li></ul><p><br></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.scratchfoundation.org/home" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Scratch</a>, a free, nonprofit coding community and environment for children, is supported by the Scratch Foundation. (<a href="https://www.scratchfoundation.org/learn/for-families" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Start here if you’re considering a family </a>membership; <a href="https://www.scratchfoundation.org/learn/for-educators" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">here if you’re an educator</a>.) </li></ul><p><br></p><ul><li><a href="https://home.xperiential.us/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Xperiential</a>, a collaboration between Pixar and Khan Academy, is a project-based learning approach aimed at inspiring students to explore careers through storytelling and design. </li></ul><p><br></p><ul><li>Jeanne Bamberger’s 1995 book, <a href="https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780674576063" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Mind behind the Musical Ear</a>, explores how children develop “musical intelligence.” </li></ul><p><br></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Creative-Acts-Curious-People-Unconventional/dp/1984858165" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Creative Acts for Curious People: How to Think, Create, and Lead in Unconventional Ways</a>, by Sarah Stein Greenberg (2021) includes both stories and innovative exercises to build creative leadership. </li></ul><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>
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<p>What changes for us, as writers, as creators, as thinkers – as humans – when there are more AI bots in the world than people? </p><br><p>Telling stories about our lives and the world around us is one of the most intimate and powerful practices that we, as humans, have. And even though artificial intelligence has existed in some form for decades, only with the emergence of chatbots has AI become a storytelling machine. </p><br><p>So what does AI mean for human literacy? What changes when algorithmic intelligence tells stories about ourselves and our world? Should we let it? And really, who is telling the story–and why? </p><br><p>Join Dr. Jeremy Roschelle, the lead learning scientist at Digital Promise, and Betsy Corcoran, a journalist and founder of EdSurge, as they explore with writers, researchers, teachers and even policy makers the potential – both positive and negative – for AI, for literacy, and for us. </p><br><p>Please join the conversation<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/futurefluent-podcast/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> here on our LinkedIn page.</a></p><p><br></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p> - How often does this podcast release new episodes?
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