by 吴琦
<p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>「螺丝在拧紧」是单读主编吴琦的播客。</span><span>在剧烈的社会转型中,我们继续提出问题,展开对话,以独立的洞察,创造新的文化空气,和同代人一起,完成自己擅长且热爱的事。</span></p><span><br /></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">当旧标准开始松动,螺丝也往新的方向拧。在“小地方“、“愉悦清单”等专题节目中,我们邀请朋友一起散步,分享一手的生命经验,共同寻找未来的希望,以及更宽松、正直、值得一过的生活。</p>
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April 23, 2025
<p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><img data-key="0" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/170d-audiofreehighqps/BC/6D/GKwRIW4L3rTNAAOSMgOeGgFV.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/170d-audiofreehighqps/BC/6D/GKwRIW4L3rTNAAOSMgOeGgFV.jpg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/170d-audiofreehighqps/BC/6D/GKwRIW4L3rTNAAOSMgOeGgFV.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="750" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/170d-audiofreehighqps/BC/6D/GKwRIW4L3rTNAAOSMgOeGgFV.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="140"><br></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">本期声音|罗丹妮,图书编辑,《三联生活周刊》出版总监<br></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">主播|吴琦,单读主编</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">四年前,在单向空间东风店的一个玻璃屋子里,丹妮和吴琦试着录了一期播客。那是在《把自己作为方法》出版后的春天,题目叫<span>“</span>为什么今天仍然需要出版业<span>”</span>。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">起初,主播吴琦想把这档以书为名的播客「螺丝在拧紧」当作一本书来做,与同行、同辈、同仁一起分享文化工作中的方法论和认识论。然而,在节目播出的过程中,各种各样的社会公共问题涌来,「螺丝」在设定路线的延长线上越拧越远,意外地一直做到了今天。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">现在,「螺丝在拧紧」已经做了<span> 100 </span>多期。在今年开启<span>“</span>返场<span>”</span>专题之后,我们终于迎来了最标准意义上的返场:节目第<span> 0 </span>期的嘉宾,编辑罗丹妮。刚度过一个平淡的<span> 423 </span>世界读书日,在这个出版的寒冬里,他们重新回到了关于<span>“</span>书<span>”</span>的对话<span>——</span>也是回到了关于在下沉的环境里如何面对自我怀疑、保持工作动力的对话:</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">丹妮谈到这两年对图书市场的感受,<span>“</span>跟整个中国社会经济的环境相比,并没有特别不同<span>”</span>,而<span>“</span>今天整体的感受是大家都没有心劲儿了,有点糊弄事儿<span>”</span>;同时,作为陪伴单读迈入出版业的老朋友,她也和我们讲述了这几年心态的转变,从说自己<span>“</span>始终是学生心态<span>”</span>,到如今认为不能因此自我感动,<b><span>“</span>自己的方法真的只是自己的方法<span>”</span></b>。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">最终,即使两位编辑都意识到,在判断何为<span>“</span>好东西<span>”</span>或<span>“</span>真东西<span>”</span>时,行业的规则未必站在他们这边,丹妮也对出版行业保持着更大尺度的乐观:<b><span>“</span>我们所经历的处境是一个变化的过程,我不相信在这个状态里面不会有好的东西发生<span>……</span>一切都在孕育的感觉。<span>”</span></b></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">|时间线|<span><br></span><span>04:43</span><span>图书市场断崖式下滑,真实的体感如何?<span><br>12:20</span>吴琦:媒体工作与出版工作节奏不同,但吸引我们的正是它们共同的部分<span><br>20:12“</span>今天整体的感受是大家都没有心劲儿了,有点糊弄事儿<span>”<br>25:09</span>丹妮:有时候最残酷的领导是我们自己<span><br>28:03“</span>走了很远,发现自己并没有出发<span>”<br>36:32</span>如何面对自己的好学生心态?<span><br>——</span>吴琦:现在看待卷子的眼光是<span>“</span>自己跟自己玩的游戏<span>”</span>,我可以在卷子上画一个鬼脸,也接受卷子被老师打回来<span><br>——</span>丹妮:无法克服学生心态,那就自己选择做哪张考卷<span>43:38</span>做书,是要做<span>“</span>好东西<span>”</span>还是<span>“</span>真东西<span>”</span>?<span><br>51:41“</span>当一个人愿意把真实透露出来时,其实不那么伤人<span>”<br>1:12:06</span>豆瓣上越来越多零评论的作品,但想写的人始终在写<span><br>1:25:07“</span>把自己作为方法<span>”</span>缺少一个主语?<span><br>1:36:22</span>论养狗与做书的共通之处:严肃但幸福</span><span><br><br></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">|工具箱|<span><br></span><span>-</span>谈话中提到的书籍<span><br></span>《把自己作为方法》,项飙、吴琦著<span><br></span>《单读<span>39·</span>自己跟自己玩的游戏》,吴琦主编<span><br><br></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>-</span>谈话中提到的影视作品<span><br></span>《苦尽柑来遇见你》(<span>2025</span>),导演:<span>[</span>韩<span>] </span>金元锡</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">|互动方式|<span><br></span>如果你对本期话题或本节目有任何想法或问题,请大胆在各收听平台评论区留言,或者微博吴琦<span>@</span>五七、罗丹妮<span> @Rodenny</span>与主播和嘉宾互动。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">|本期音乐|<span><br></span>凭着爱,苏芮</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">|本期封面|<span><br></span>摄影:吴琦<span><br><br></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;"><span><span>|关于「螺丝在拧紧」|<span><br></span></span></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;"><span><span>监制:彭倩媛<span><br></span>制作人:胡亚萍<span><br></span>编辑:菜市场<span><br></span>剪辑:椋生<span><br></span>视觉设计:李政坷 欧梦婷<span><br></span>节目运营:刘雨萱<span><br></span>原创音乐:徐逍潇</span></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;"><span>实习生:许婉欣</span></p><img data-key="1" 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April 9, 2025
<p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><img data-key="0" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/b11a-audiofreehighqps/52/2B/GKwRIUELzC_GAA84dQOTRRk_.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/b11a-audiofreehighqps/52/2B/GKwRIUELzC_GAA84dQOTRRk_.jpg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/b11a-audiofreehighqps/52/2B/GKwRIUELzC_GAA84dQOTRRk_.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="746.625" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/b11a-audiofreehighqps/52/2B/GKwRIUELzC_GAA84dQOTRRk_.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="139.37"><br></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">本期声音|耿军,导演、编剧、制片人<br></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">主播|吴琦,单读主编</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">几天前,一位香港记者在闲谈时问主播吴琦,内地的图书市场到底发生了什么?<span>“</span>明明看起来书的品类很多,各种榜单和奖项也不断<span>......”</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">这让他意识到,当我们关注文艺行业的时候,不能仅仅关注那些浮出水面的东西。<b><span>“</span>我们想看历史的变化的时候,可能要去看那些没有获得机会、没有被出版的书,或者那些在出版过程中遇到各种各样的阻碍的书,以及那些由于各种各样的原因不能与观众直接见面的电影。<span>”</span></b></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">「螺丝在拧紧」今年决定开启<span>“</span><b>多元电影时刻</b><span>”</span>专题。这里的多元电影,指的不仅是有先锋的形式或者当下的题材的电影,也包含那些受到喜爱但不容易被观看的电影。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">在这个<span>“</span>电影已死<span>”</span>变成老生常谈,而想看的电影无迹可寻的吊诡时刻,我们请来了<b>耿军</b>导演,请他谈谈他的新作<b>《漂亮朋友》</b>。这部讲述东北中年男女的同性之爱的电影去年获得了四项金马奖,却只在台北、高雄、东京等地参加了一些影展。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">然而,不论是在节目的录制过程中,还是在他的电影里,耿军都为我们带来了一种<span>“</span>不能解释的乐观<span>”</span>。他爱开玩笑,也爱讲故事,他用幽默又扎实的讲述,回应了我们对电影的种种疑惑<span>——</span>当一部电影很多人想看却看不到,导演怎么回应这些声音?参加作为<span>“</span>直男<span>”</span>创作者,如何理解并表达中年同性恋群体的故事?怎么看待文艺电影在今天的环境里的位置?</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">更重要的是,为什么这么乐观?在节目的尾声,耿军导演带我们回到了电影《东北虎》的结尾,主人公回忆起自己十九岁时得的那场重感冒,妈妈跟他说,<b><span>“</span>我们一起挺过今天,明天可有意思了,未来可好了<span>”</span></b>。他说:妈妈说的<span>“</span>明天可有意思了,未来可好了<span>”</span>,<b>不就是我们的现在吗?</b></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><img data-key="1" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/1343-audiofreehighqps/A6/AB/GAqhp50LzDBUAAYK7AOTRaGe.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/1343-audiofreehighqps/A6/AB/GAqhp50LzDBUAAYK7AOTRaGe.jpg?op_type=0" 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data-large-height="428.52120928052494" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/44da-audiofreehighqps/4B/83/GKwRIUELzDBHAA18zgOTRZVj.png!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="79.99062573236466"></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">|时间线|<span><br></span><span>01:14“</span>我们决定不仅要聊电影,还要多聊<span>”<br>09:36 </span>耿军:疫情期间,我想拍一部人与人之间信任、尊重、拥抱,互相高看一眼的电影<span><br>16:27 </span>吴琦:回到了偷感更重的文艺创作方式<span><br>19:05 </span>电影有很多人想看却看不到,导演怎么回应?<span><br>34:34</span>异性恋团队拍同性故事,如何走进角色的内心?<span><br>44:14 </span>每一句废话,都是对一个好角色的损伤<span><br>53:49 </span>面对成功,<span>“</span>高兴半个月得了<span>”<br>60:23 </span>在剧组里,越抹不开说的越要说清楚,<span>“</span>心里贼坦然<span>”<br>68:14 </span>耿军:我不愿意把拍电影描绘得特别悲观,因为悲观就在眼前<span><br>75:50 </span>吴琦:总有导演得不到电影票,但他们都对当时的社会发出过声音<span><br><br></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">|工具箱|<span><br></span><span>-</span>谈话中提到的影视作品<span><br></span>《东北虎》(<span>2021</span>),导演:耿军<span><br></span>《锤子镰刀都休息》(<span>2013</span>),导演:耿军<span><br></span>《轻松<span> + </span>愉快》(<span>2017</span>),导演:耿军<span><br></span>《青年》(<span>2009</span>),导演:耿军<span><br></span>《烧烤》(<span>2004</span>),导演:耿军<span><br></span>《漂亮朋友》(<span>2024</span>),导演:耿军<span><br></span>《鬼子来了》(<span>2000</span>),导演:姜文<span><br></span>《在一起》(<span>2010</span>),导演:赵亮<span><br></span>《最爱》(<span>2011</span>),导演:顾长卫<span><br></span>《年少日记》(<span>2023</span>),导演:卓亦谦<span><br></span>《乘船而去》(<span>2023</span>),导演:陈小雨<span><br><br></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">|互动方式|<span><br></span>如果你对本期话题或本节目有任何想法或问题,请大胆在各收听平台评论区留言,或者微博吴琦<span>@</span>五七<span>@</span>耿军<span>_GengJun</span>与主播和嘉宾互动。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">|本期音乐|<span><br></span>别绝望,陈筱舒</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">|本期封面|<span><br></span>摄影:吴琦<span><br><br></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><span>|关于「螺丝在拧紧」|<span><br></span></span></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><span>监制:彭倩媛<span><br></span>制作人:胡亚萍<span><br></span>编辑:菜市场<span><br></span>剪辑:椋生<span><br></span>视觉设计:李政坷 欧梦婷<span><br></span>节目运营:刘雨萱<span><br></span>原创音乐:徐逍潇</span></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">实习生:许婉欣</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><img data-key="3" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/cc0c-audiofreehighqps/5E/7F/GAqhp50LzDA3AAp6EAOTRYTv.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/cc0c-audiofreehighqps/5E/7F/GAqhp50LzDA3AAp6EAOTRYTv.jpg?op_type=0" 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March 26, 2025
<p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><img data-key="0" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/2040-audiofreehighqps/7D/6A/GAqh_aQLubqPAAK0CQOHPFQk.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/2040-audiofreehighqps/7D/6A/GAqh_aQLubqPAAK0CQOHPFQk.jpg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/2040-audiofreehighqps/7D/6A/GAqh_aQLubqPAAK0CQOHPFQk.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="750" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/2040-audiofreehighqps/7D/6A/GAqh_aQLubqPAAK0CQOHPFQk.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="140"><br></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">本期声音|李沁云,作者、心理咨询师和精神分析候选人</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">主播|吴琦,单读主编</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">在过年回家的旅途中,主播吴琦读了《心的表达》这本书。这本关于精神分析的书给他带来了深深的感动<span>——</span>它把处理个人的经验妥善地放入了求取新知的框架之内。春节之后,他决心要认识这本书的作者,<span>“</span>我想听她说话<span>”</span>。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">在「螺丝在拧紧」录制之前,李沁云已经是吴琦在豆瓣上关注了十多年的<span>“</span>老朋友<span>”</span>。在这十多年的时间里,她从心理系毕业后转入文学系,在任教期间又决定进入临床心理学的领域,目前在美国波士顿做心理咨询师、精神分析候选人。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">在中国,心理咨询的能见度正在上升。但在具体的理解上<span>——</span>心理咨询能提供什么?精神分析在其中是一个什么样的流派?分析师与来访者之间是什么样的关系?<span>——</span>大多数人仍然一头雾水,甚至心底有隐隐的抗拒。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">这期节目里,李沁云带我们走进了她真实的精神分析师生涯,坦言<span>“</span>咨询师并非全知全能,而是带着自己的挣扎与处境工作<span>”</span>。她也认真地告诉我们,在治愈与被治愈的过程中,分析师与受访者双方都有可能获得超预期的收获:精神分析不仅仅是认识人的内心世界的过程,更是<span>“</span>一场心与心的奇遇<span>”</span>。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">在交谈的过程中,吴琦说自己<span>“</span>产生了一种幻觉,仿佛走进了分析室<span>”</span>。在这个令人忧郁的早春,希望这期节目能像一张长沙发,给你一小片与自己的心灵对话的空间。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">不过,春天的好消息是:「螺丝在拧紧」<span>100 </span>期了!正值第<span> 100 </span>期关注成长创伤与心理健康,我们也在上海组织了一场早春见面会,邀请你来到线下,与主播一起谈谈生命中的磨损与焕新(文末扫码报名)。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">|时间线|<span><br></span><span>04:16</span><span>在国内的语境里,如何认知<span>“</span>精神分析<span>”</span>?<span><br>04:50</span>李沁云:精神分析是一场心与心的奇遇<span><br>07:20“</span>我本来是想当作家的<span>”</span>,但是<span>……<br>14:22</span>要成为精神分析师,必须接受精神分析?<span><br>17:51</span>来访者需要了解自己的咨询师吗?<span><br>24:40</span>精神分析师的共情是否有边界?<span><br>28:07</span>精神分析的三个目标:<span><br>——</span>认识你自己<span><br>——</span>拓宽人的内心空间<span><br>——</span>有活力去爱<span><br>38:38</span>人生中三个普遍性的创伤时刻<span><br>40:19</span>创伤令人孤独,但关系让爱流动<span><br>55:58“</span>要实现心灵的成长,就是帮助自己内心的孩子长大成人<span>”<br>58:11“</span>难得糊涂<span>”</span>的文化里,直面深渊的理由</span><span><br></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">|工具箱|<span><br></span><span>-</span>谈话中提到的书籍<span><br></span>《心的表达》,李沁云著<span><br></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">|互动方式|<span><br></span>如果你对本期话题或本节目有任何想法或问题,请大胆在各收听平台评论区留言,或者微博吴琦<span>@</span>五七、<span>@</span>李沁云与主播和嘉宾互动。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">�螺丝春日见面会(扫码报名,上海见~)</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><img data-key="1" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/1e09-audiofreehighqps/CB/81/GKwRIDoLubqzADJRnwOHPHFw.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/1e09-audiofreehighqps/CB/81/GKwRIDoLubqzADJRnwOHPHFw.jpg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/1e09-audiofreehighqps/CB/81/GKwRIDoLubqzADJRnwOHPHFw.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="1333.3333333333333" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/1e09-audiofreehighqps/CB/81/GKwRIDoLubqzADJRnwOHPHFw.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="248.88888888888889"><br></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>|本期音乐|</span><span><br>Falling You</span><span>,曾可妮</span><span> / </span><span>都智文</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">|本期封面|<span><br></span>摄影:吴琦<span><br><br></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><span>|关于「螺丝在拧紧」|<span><br></span></span></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><span>监制:彭倩媛<span><br></span>制作人:胡亚萍<span><br></span>编辑:菜市场<span><br></span>剪辑:椋生<span><br></span>视觉设计:李政坷 欧梦婷<span><br></span>节目运营:刘雨萱</span></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">原创音乐:徐逍潇</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>实习生:许婉欣</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><img data-key="2" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/dff5-audiofreehighqps/7F/29/GKwRIJILubrFAAp6EAOHPICk.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/dff5-audiofreehighqps/7F/29/GKwRIJILubrFAAp6EAOHPICk.jpg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/dff5-audiofreehighqps/7F/29/GKwRIJILubrFAAp6EAOHPICk.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="1245.7347275729223" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/dff5-audiofreehighqps/7F/29/GKwRIJILubrFAAp6EAOHPICk.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="232.5371491469455"><br></span></p>
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