Navigating Noise is a weekly interview show about how critical decisions get made when the data behind them breaks down. Hosts Jonathan Teubner, founder of AI intelligence company FilterLabs, and Erol Yayboke, former Pentagon deputy chief of staff, talk with analysts, operators, and decision-makers working in intelligence and information operations. Each episode asks one question: how do you know what's actually happening in places that are hard to see? Season 2 covers the data supply chain behind info ops, the analyst under pressure, and the future of the craft.
Navigating Noise
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Navigating Noise is a weekly interview show about how critical decisions get made when the data behind them breaks down. Hosts Jonathan Teubner, founder of AI intelligence company FilterLabs, and Erol Yayboke, former Pentagon deputy chief of staff, talk with analysts, operators, and decision-makers working in intelligence and information operations. Each episode asks one question: how do you know what's actually happening in places that are hard to see? Season 2 covers the data supply chain behind info ops, the analyst under pressure, and the future of the craft.
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Recent Episodes
June 23, 2026
Why War With China Is NOT Inevitable with U.S.-China Relations Expert Ali Wyne
<p>When Trump called a meeting with Xi Jinping "the G-2," he may have admitted something Washington has spent years avoiding: China is no longer a rising challenger. It's a near-peer. Foreign-policy analyst Ali Wyne returns to Navigating Noise to unpack how that admission happened almost by accident, and what it means for the most consequential relationship of the century.</p><p>Wyne, who works on U.S.–China at the International Crisis Group, makes a counterintuitive case: the goal between Washington and Beijing was never trust, and it shouldn't be. It should be empathy: a cold, dispassionate effort to understand an adversary you may never agree with. Along the way he and Jonathan Teubner dig into why young Americans are "China-maxing," why a generation of students has vanished from each other's countries, and why the popular story about China's all-seeing internet is mostly a bluff.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>In this episode:</strong></p><p><br></p><ul>Why Trump's "G-2" comment was an accidental concession, not a strategy</ul><ul>The difference between empathy and sympathy, and why it decides foreign policy</ul><ul>Why genuine U.S.–China trust would actually be a red flag </ul><ul>"China-maxing" and the sadness driving young Americans toward Beijing</ul><ul>How student exchanges collapsed from ~15,000 to under 2,000</ul><ul>What the world gets wrong about dissent and censorship inside China</ul><ul>The college student's question that D.C. would dismiss and Wyne still can't answer</ul><ul><br></ul><p>Subscribe to Navigating Noise for more conversations on how the world's biggest decisions get made.</p><p>Watch on YouTube, listen on Spotify and Apple Podcasts.</p>
June 16, 2026
How Microsoft Predicted the Ukraine War Before the Pentagon with CSIS Director Emily Harding
<p>When Russia invaded Ukraine, it wasn't a general who saw it coming first… it was Microsoft. Sensors planted across Ukraine picked up a massive spike in cyberattacks on banks, transport, and command-and-control, and the company picked up the phone and warned the White House.</p><p>That moment, says intelligence veteran <strong>Emily Harding</strong>, is when the line between a tech company and a defense company quietly disappeared.</p><p>Harding is a VP at CSIS, a former CIA analyst, NSC Iran director, and architect of the bipartisan Senate Intelligence Russia report. She walks host Erol Yayboke through the most destabilizing shift in modern conflict: the data center is now a battlefield, and nobody has agreed on the rules. If Iran hits a server farm in Italy, who got attacked? If China strikes an AWS cloud, does the US go to war? These are the questions keeping deterrence strategists up at night, and the answers aren't written yet.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>In this conversation:</strong></p><ul>Why Microsoft, Amazon, and Google are now "on the front lines" of three conflicts at once</ul><ul>The 2014 Sony hack as a failed test case and what the US must do differently</ul><ul>How adversaries decide a hospital's data center is "fair game"</ul><ul>The World War One alliance trap hiding inside US tech policy</ul><ul>Why Harding is an AI optimist who still calls ChatGPT a "professional mansplainer"</ul><ul>How 90% of useful intelligence now lives in open source and why that's dangerous</ul><ul>The free-speech line a democracy can't cross, even to fight propaganda</ul><p><br></p><p>Subscribe to Navigating Noise for sharp analysis of the forces shaping global conflict and information. Watch on YouTube, listen on Spotify and Apple Podcasts.</p>
June 9, 2026
Why Truth Is More Dangerous Than Lies in an Information War | Maggie Feldman-Piltch
<p>Maggie Feldman-Piltch calls herself a propagandist, and she means it. She made stickers of Putin's face with the Barbie movie font that spread to over two dozen languages, and she found out he wasn't happy about them. That, she'll tell you, is the whole point.</p><p><br></p><p>In this episode, Maggie joins Erol to break down why America is fighting an information war with both hands tied… constrained by bureaucratic boxes built in 1947, a cultural allergy to the word "propaganda," and a fundamental misunderstanding of what that word actually means. Propaganda, she argues, is morally neutral. It's a tool. And the truth told better than a lie is the most powerful version of it.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>In this episode of Navigating Noise:</strong></p><p>- How a single Barbie-Putin sticker became a global campaign and why Maggie considers getting PNG'd from authoritarian countries a career goal</p><p><br></p><p>- Why propaganda doesn't mean lies and how America's refusal to use the word is costing it the information war</p><p><br></p><p>- The National Security Act of 1947 and why the bureaucratic "boxes" it created are hampering U.S. information operations</p><p><br></p><p>- Why adversaries specifically target women's online spaces, and what that tells us about how they view democracy</p><p><br></p><p>- The "dupe" vs. "counterfeit" shift and how language changes are used as a tool of influence</p><p><br></p><p>- What the Knapsack Girl Squad, the Munich Security Conference bathroom, and a bedazzled phone-receiver handbag have in common</p><p><br></p><p>- Her company Iceberg and why IP theft from consumer brands is a national security issue</p><p><br></p><p>- The billboard she'd put up for billions to seeSubscribe to Navigating Noise on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts. Follow Maggie on Substack at Non-State Actress.</p>
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