On Listening

About On Listening

On Listening explores how the (often overlooked and undervalued) power of listening changes everything — at home, at work, in classrooms... even in politics. Each episode, host Marc Roudebush sits down with someone whose life or work turns on listening, and asks what they've come to understand about how to listen, and why. Join us and discover how much your listening makes a difference. On Listening is a project of Convu, "where listening happens." Check us out at convu.com.

Publisher

Marc Roudebush

Category

education · society & culture

Language

en

Explicit

No

First episode

12 Aug 2026

Latest episode

2 Nov 2026

Latest episodes

7 episodes in the feed.

1. 

   2 Nov 2026

   Bonus: The Questions that Matter, a Meditation with Amy Elizabeth Fox

   Episode 4B: In this bonus episode, Amy Elizabeth Fox, co-founder and CEO of Mobius Executive Leadership and co-author of Leading in Chaos, guides a meditation that invites us to attune to the larger context of our lives. Sitting on a bench in a place in nature where you feel at home, you imagine your ancestors standing behind you, and then future generations before you. Along the way, Amy offers questions to sit with: What strengths and values have been passed down through my family? What hardships did my family live through, and how do they live in me? What is mine to heal, to forgive, and to lay to rest? What wisdom do I want to offer the next generations? What stops with me, and does not get passed down? How can I be a blessing to them? Find a quiet, comfortable place (not while driving), and return to this meditation enough times to let the questions really sink in. Listen to Marc's full conversation with Amy to hear their lively conversation about how deep listening can melt shame, lower fear, and change cultures. Credits and links Music: "Maenam" by Jami Sieber, from Hidden Sky, used with permission (jamisieber.com) Amy Elizabeth Fox: amyelizabethfox.com Leading in Chaos, by Nicholas Janni and Amy Elizabeth Fox Main episode: “Re-envisioning the Workplace, with Amy Elizabeth Fox” (search the title in your podcast app, or visit convu.com/onlistening) Convu: convu.com (http://convu.com)

2. 

   2 Nov 2026

   Re-envisioning the Workplace, with Amy Elizabeth Fox

   Episode 4: Why do so many highly successful leaders feel numb, alone, or cut off from meaning? For two decades, Amy Elizabeth Fox, co-founder and CEO of Mobius Executive Leadership and co-author with Nicholas Janni of Leading in Chaos, has been helping leaders find their way back to a more wholehearted way of being. Her insight: openness, trust, and learning can't be mandated, but they flourish when we lower the level of fear. And that often begins with listening. In this conversation, Amy explains why you can't mandate openness in a culture, but you can lower the fear that blocks it; how to challenge someone from discernment rather than judgment; and why so few high achievers rest in a state of "self-blessing." She also shares the moment when a therapist's seven years of patient listening finally allowed her grief to be met with love, and what her teacher Thomas Hübl taught her about "listening to the field." Finally, Amy closes with a simple listening practice you can try in your next important conversation. **Amy's guided meditation on listening to past and future generations is available as a separate bonus episode. A request: to help this fledgling podcast take flight, a few small acts make a big difference: following, rating, commenting and sharing... for any of these efforts you might be moved to make, we thank you deeply! Links and people mentioned Amy Elizabeth Fox: amyelizabethfox.com Mobius Executive Leadership - https://www.mobiusleadership.com/ (https://www.mobiusleadership.com/) Leading in Chaos: Rethinking Leadership for an Uncertain World, (https://leadinginchaosbook.com/) by Nicholas Janni and Amy Elizabeth Fox Thomas Hübl and the Pocket Project (https://pocketproject.org/) The Wonder Dome podcast with Andy Cahill, #183: "Leading in Chaos" (https://wonderdome.substack.com/p/leading-in-chaos) Patrick Connor, https://www.sharmadafoundation.net (https://www.sharmadafoundation.net/) Richard (Dick) Schwartz, No Bad Parts Chris Germer, When Shame Met Love (On Listening, Episode 3) (https://youtu.be/uqXnWs831iY?si=8lpa_5x3Phg5f9ZK) Henri Termeer, former CEO of Genzyme Convu: Where Listening Happens (https://convu.com) In this episode 00:00 Three moments from the conversation 01:12 Introducing Amy Elizabeth Fox 02:44 Welcome, and an appreciation twenty years in the making 05:18 Listening that lets words permeate us 07:43 The "aha" leaders have about their early lives 10:37 Why the modern workplace numbs us 12:36 Leadership programs as restorative microcultures 14:16 Being deeply listened to: seven years with a patient therapist 17:30 Thomas Hübl and listening to the field 19:21 The paradox of culture change, and why it starts with lowering fear 22:08 Genzyme under Henri Termeer: love in business 24:46 How culture is made in micro-moments 26:49 Challenging from love: judgment versus discernment 30:39 What human attunement offers that AI doesn’t 32:14 Shame, the "original bargain," and self-blessing 36:21 A practice: let the silence dwell 37:49 The magic wand 39:35 Checkout 41:16 Closing

3. 

   1 Oct 2026

   Bonus: Self-Compassion Break for Shame, with Chris Germer

   In this bonus episode, you're guided through the Self-Compassion Break for Shame — the practice Chris Germer shared a glimpse of in Episode 3, now presented here in full, without interruption. Chris is a clinical psychologist, a lecturer at Harvard Medical School, and co-founder of the Center for Mindful Self-Compassion. Drawing on Kristin Neff's three components of self-compassion — mindfulness, common humanity, and self-kindness — Chris leads you through a guided practice for meeting shame with compassion rather than avoidance or self-attack. This episode works best as an active practice rather than passive listening — find a quiet moment, and go through it for yourself. Want more? Hear the full conversation with Chris, including my own experience with this exercise in On Listening, Episode 3 Chris's book: Self-Compassion for Shame: A Step-by-Step Guide to Inner Freedom

4. 

   28 Sept 2026

   When Shame Met Love, with Chris Germer

   Episode 3: What if the anxiety you've fought for decades isn't anxiety at all? Chris Germer, clinical psychologist and co-creator of the Mindful Self-Compassion program, joins Marc to talk about shame, self-compassion, and why learning to listen to ourselves may be the foundation for listening to anyone else. In this conversation, Chris tells the story of twenty-two years of public speaking anxiety, a meditation teacher's advice to "just love yourself," and the discovery that what he'd been suffering from all along was shame. He describes a psychedelic journey that showed him where that shame began, and a moment in graduate school when his therapist, without saying a word, changed the course of his life. He and Marc explore the difference between empathy and compassion, and a simple breath practice for finding your way back to someone in a difficult conversation. Chris also guides a condensed version of the Self-Compassion Break for Shame, with Marc as the willing volunteer. Want the full practice? The complete guided Self-Compassion Break for Shame, start to finish, will be available soon as bonus episode 3B. Chris Germer, PhD, is a clinical psychologist and lecturer on psychiatry at Harvard Medical School. In 2010, he and Kristin Neff co-developed Mindful Self-Compassion, an evidence-based program since taught to more than 250,000 people in over 30 languages. He is the author of The Mindful Path to Self-Compassion and co-author, with Kristin Neff, of The Mindful Self-Compassion Workbook, Mindful Self-Compassion for Burnout, and Teaching the Mindful Self-Compassion Program. His new book is Self-Compassion for Shame: A Step-by-Step Guide to Inner Freedom. He helped establish the Center for Mindfulness and Compassion at Cambridge Health Alliance and has a small psychotherapy practice in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Links: Chris Germer (https://chrisgermer.com/) Center for Mindful Self-Compassion (https://centerformsc.org/) Book: Self-Compassion for Shame, A Step-by-Step Guide to Inner Freedom (https://www.guilford.com/books/Self-Compassion-for-Shame/Christopher-Germer/9781462557882?srsltid=AU7gw4U-QXIwVI1ZpAZKIDefAki05Jt1wZfwQNaK0TO61SdZSXA0Svpn)

5. 

   5 Sept 2026

   Unlearning "The Curse of Sophistication," with Niko Canner

   Episode 2: What if the very expertise that makes you valuable is also what gets in the way of the questions that actually matter? Niko Canner, founder of the advisory firm Incandescent, joins Marc to talk about what he calls "the curse of sophistication" — the pull toward performing expertise instead of asking the basic, obvious questions that most need asking. In this conversation, Niko shares two very different stories of being listened to deeply — one from a college poetry workshop, and one from a junior colleague who challenged him in front of his entire firm — and what each taught him about what it means to be deeply heard. He also reads from his favorite W.H. Auden poem, "Leap Before You Look." He and Marc talk about "dancing with expectations" (rather than just deferring to them), what Dr. V of Aravind Eye Hospital meant by "becoming a more perfect instrument," and where real partnerships between the top and middle of an organization often go missing. The conversation closes with a lovely turn, when Niko takes the question Marc opened with and hands it back to him. Niko Canner is the founder of Incandescent, which recently acquired Minds at Work, the organization Bob Kegan and Lisa Lahey built around Immunity to Change. Before starting Incandescent, he spent years at McKinsey, co-founded and led Katzenbach Partners, and served on the management committee at Bridgewater Associates. He was named one of Fortune's "new gurus" (2008) and a World Economic Forum Young Global Leader (2011), and co-leads China 2024, a two-decade study of how Chinese business leaders develop. He writes the blog On Human Enterprise. Links: Incandescent (https://www.incandescent.com) Minds at Work (https://www.mindsatwork.com) On Human Enterprise (Niko's blog) (https://www.onhumanenterprise.com) Frogs & Butterflies: Announcing Incandescent's Acquisition of Minds at Work (https://www.onhumanenterprise.com/frogs-butterflies-announcing-incandescents-acquisition-of-minds-at-work) Six Conversations Every Partnership Firm Should Have (https://www.onhumanenterprise.com/six-conversations-every-partnership-should-have) Incandescent Turns 10 (https://medium.com/on-human-enterprise/incandescent-turns-10-5fbcc10379c4) New here? Follow On Listening wherever you get your podcasts so the next conversation finds you.

6. 

   12 Aug 2026

   Listening to Win, Fix, and Learn, with Jennifer Garvey Berger

   Episode 1: What happens to our listening when the world turns complex, uncertain, and anxious — right when we're most tempted to grab for easy answers? For the first full episode of On Listening, Marc sits down with Jennifer Garvey Berger, a leading voice on how adults grow, lead, and make meaning under pressure. Jennifer is the CEO and founding partner of the global leadership firm Cultivating Leadership, and the author of four books on leadership and complexity for Stanford University Press — including Changing on the Job, now in its second edition. It's a natural fit for a show about listening: much of what she teaches comes down to staying open, holding more than one perspective, and questioning our own certainty long enough to actually hear another person. Together they unpack Jennifer's distinction between three kinds of listening — listening to win, listening to fix, and listening to learn — and why the first two so often leave people feeling unheard. Along the way: a personal story of being received rather than reassured during a frightening time, listening as a renewable resource that "costs nothing and creates value," listening as perhaps the deepest form of love — and why, given a magic wand, Jennifer would hand that capacity first to the world's politicians. Mentioned in this episode • William Ury, "The Power of Listening" (TEDxSanDiego): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saXfavo1OQo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saXfavo1OQo) • "It's Not About the Nail" by Jason Headley: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4EDhdAHrOg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4EDhdAHrOg) • Daniel Kahneman, Thinking, Fast and Slow: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/89308/thinking-fast-and-slow-by-daniel-kahneman/ (https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/89308/thinking-fast-and-slow-by-daniel-kahneman/) • Coaches Rising — "Love as a Business Imperative" (https://www.coachesrising.com/podcast/love-as-a-business-imperative-with-jennifer-garvey-berger-and-amy-elizabeth-fox/) • Coaches Rising — "Emergent Leadership in an Era of Chaos" (https://www.coachesrising.com/podcast/emergent-leadership-in-an-era-of-chaos-with-amy-elizabeth-fox-and-jennifer-garvey-berger/) More on Jennifer Garvey Berger • Changing on the Job (2nd ed.): https://www.porchlightbooks.com/products/changing-on-the-job-second-edition-jennifer-garvey-berger-9781503640245 (https://www.porchlightbooks.com/products/changing-on-the-job-second-edition-jennifer-garvey-berger-9781503640245) • Cultivating Leadership: https://www.cultivatingleadership.com/ (https://www.cultivatingleadership.com/) Cultivating Leadership on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@CultivatingLeadership (https://www.youtube.com/@CultivatingLeadership) New here? Follow On Listening wherever you get your podcasts so the next conversation finds you.

7. 

   12 Aug 2026

   Episode 0 – Origin Story

   Welcome to On Listening — the podcast about how listening changes everything. In this short opener, host Marc Roudebush shares where the show came from: an experiment at the Harvard School of Public Health that asked whether students could be a hidden resource for each other, and what it revealed about the overlooked power of simply being listened to. It's the story behind Convu — "where listening happens" — and the guiding idea of this podcast: that your own capacity to listen may be the most available, most underused treasure you have. You'll also catch a few snippets of the voice of Episode 1 guest Jennifer Garvey Berger. New here? Follow On Listening wherever you get your podcasts so the next conversation finds you. Also from Convu — Peer Coaching for Writers & Artists. A 10-week program with facilitator Rosie Sultan for writers and artists who want to trade creative isolation for connection. Fall 2026 runs Tuesdays, Sept 15–Dec 1, 7–8:30pm ET. Register at app.convu.com (http://app.convu.com) with the keyword artofconversation → https://www.convu.com/writers-and-artists (https://www.convu.com/writers-and-artists)

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