TAB Storytellers
Abi Paytoe Gbayee and Jen Ferrari
4.7from 13 ratings
- 52
- Episodes
- 13
- Ratings
- Monthly
- Cadence
- 2022
- First episode
About TAB Storytellers
Join hosts Jen Ferrari (she/her) and Abi Paytoe Gbayee (she/her) as they have informal conversations with TAB leaders and educators, discussing topics related to the Teaching for Artistic Behavior movement in art education. Our goal with this TABcast is to hear the stories of how folx found TAB, are implementing TAB in their classrooms, and answer questions related to TAB. Also we promise to laugh at ourselves often and not take any of this too seriously, we just aren't those people.
- Publisher
- Abi Paytoe Gbayee and Jen Ferrari
- Category
- education
- Language
- en
- Explicit
- No
- First episode
- 2 May 2022
- Latest episode
- 15 Aug 2026
Latest episodes
52 episodes in the feed.
15 Aug 2026
S5E2: Meet Paula Liz
In this episode of TAB Storytellers, Abi and Jen sit down with Paula Liz, an artist, educator, author, and founder of Anti-Racist Art Teachers. Together, Paula, Abi, and Jen discuss anti-racist art education, student advocacy, artivism, contemporary artists, representation, and the small but meaningful actions educators can take within their own spheres of influence. Paula shares the origin story of Anti-Racist Art Teachers, the need to respond rather than remain silent when harm shows up in classrooms or professional spaces, and the ways art education can help students imagine, create, and build a more equitable future. They also discuss the importance of art rooms as spaces where students can develop voice, agency, and leadership. For more information about TAB, please visit the TAB website: Teaching for Artistic Behavior (https://teachingforartisticbehavior.org/). You are also invited to join us on Mighty Networks (https://teaching-for-artistic-behavior-inc.mn.co/), an online platform dedicated to everything TAB. Resources: Teaching for Artistic Behavior / TAB (https://teachingforartisticbehavior.org/) TAB Resources (https://teachingforartisticbehavior.org/resources/) TAB Storytellers Podcast (https://teachingforartisticbehavior.org/podcasts/) TAB Mighty Networks Community (https://teaching-for-artistic-behavior-inc.mn.co/) Paula Liz / Art with Ms. Paula Liz (https://www.paulalizart.com/) Paula Liz, About (https://www.paulalizart.com/about) @paulaliz.art on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/paulaliz.art/) Art with Ms. Paula Liz on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/c/artwithmspaulaliz) Anti-Racist Art Teachers (https://www.antiracistartteachers.org/) Anti-Racist Art Teachers: Artivism Resources (https://www.antiracistartteachers.org/anti-racist-art-resources/articles-resources/artivism) Anti-Racist Art Teachers Resources (https://www.antiracistartteachers.org/anti-racist-art-resources) Anti-Racist Art Teachers Lessons (https://www.antiracistartteachers.org/anti-racist-art-lessons) Anti-Racist Art Teachers Artists Database (https://www.antiracistartteachers.org/artists) Anti-Racist Art Activities for Kids Book Resources (https://www.antiracistartteachers.org/anti-racist-art-activities-for-kids/book-resources) Be a Creative Changemaker: A Kids' Art Activity Book: Inspired by the Amazing Life Stories of Diverse Artists from Around the World by Paula Liz (https://www.quarto.com/books/9780760378021/be-a-creative-changemaker-a-kids-art-activity-book) Be a Creative Changemaker Resources & References (https://www.paulalizart.com/be-a-creative-changemaker) Anti-Racist Art Activities for Kids: 30+ Creative Projects that Celebrate Diversity and Inspire Change by Paula Liz, Abigail Birhanu, Khadesia Latimer, Lori Santos, Tamara Slade, and Anjali Wells (https://www.quarto.com/books/9780760381328/anti-racist-art-activities-for-kids) How Minds Change: The Surprising Science of Belief, Opinion, and Persuasion by David McRaney (https://www.davidmcraney.com/howmindschangehome) National Art Education Association (https://www.arteducators.org/) Studio Habits of Mind / Studio Thinking Framework (https://www.studiothinking.org/the-framework.html) Harvard Project Zero: Eight Habits of Mind (https://pz.harvard.edu/resources/eight-habits-of-mind) International Baccalaureate Visual Arts (https://ibo.org/programmes/diploma-programme/curriculum/the-arts/visual-arts/) Empty Bowls (https://emptybowls.com/john-hartom-empty-bowls/) MIT Living Wage Calculator (https://livingwage.mit.edu/) Living Wage Calculation for the District of Columbia (https://livingwage.mit.edu/states/11) Capital Area Food Bank (https://www.capitalareafoodbank.org/) Here is a link (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gVMbrPtV6mRD-pcpp6m5_PugrCgP4Iit2Ei4r0S9e4Y/edit?usp=sharing) to the lightly edited transcript of this episode. We recognize that there are probably errors and grammatical issues. If anyone with the time or inclination to edit this wants to do so, please email us at storytellers@teachingforartisticbehaviors.org (mailto:storytellers@teachingforartisticbehaviors.org).
22 Jun 2026
S4E12: Meet Emily Bawol
In this episode of TAB Storytellers, Abi and Jen sit down with Emily Bawol, an art teacher, artist, and art therapist at A2 STEAM in Ann Arbor, Michigan. Emily shares how her path through discipline-based art education, art therapy, motherhood, Waldorf, Montessori, Reggio-inspired learning, and project-based education helped her recognize that she was already building a TAB studio before she had the language for it. Together, the trio explores the role of the art teacher in a TAB classroom, especially around idea generation, material exploration, autonomy, and helping young artists trust that their own ideas matter. Emily talks about creating a studio rooted in wonder, where students learn that they are the most important tool in the room, while still building the skills, habits, and confidence they need to bring their ideas to life. For more information about TAB, please visit the TAB website: Teaching for Artistic Behavior. You are also invited to join us on Mighty Networks, an online platform dedicated to everything TAB. Resources: Teaching for Artistic Behavior / TAB (https://teachingforartisticbehavior.org/) TAB Resources (https://teachingforartisticbehavior.org/resources/) TAB Storytellers Podcast (https://teachingforartisticbehavior.org/podcasts/) TAB Mighty Networks Community (https://teaching-for-artistic-behavior-inc.mn.co/) Emily Bawol / A2 STEAM Art & Design (https://a2steam.a2schools.org/classrooms/art-design) A2 STEAM Project-Based Learning (https://a2steam.a2schools.org/project-based-learning) American Art Therapy Association: About Art Therapy (https://arttherapy.org/about-art-therapy/) CASEL: Fundamentals of SEL (https://casel.org/fundamentals-of-sel/) Discipline-Based Art Education, Getty Virtual Library (https://www.getty.edu/publications/virtuallibrary/0892361719.html) Waldorf Education, Association of Waldorf Schools of North America (https://www.waldorfeducation.org/what-is-waldorf-education/) American Montessori Society: About Montessori (https://amshq.org/about-montessori/) North American Reggio Emilia Alliance (https://www.reggioalliance.org/) PBLWorks: What Is Project Based Learning? (https://www.pblworks.org/what-is-pbl) Melissa Purtee: The Difference Between TAB and Choice and Why It Matters (https://theartofeducation.edu/2015/11/the-difference-between-tab-and-choice-and-why-it-matters/) TAB Institute at MassArt (https://massart.edu/professional-continuing-education/teaching-for-artistic-behavior/) Julie Toole, MassArt TAB Institute Faculty Profile (https://pce.massart.edu/faculty/julie-toole/) TAB Storytellers S3E5: Meet Julie Toole (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/s3e5-meet-julie-toole/id1621970021?i=1000673676944) Harvard Project Zero Thinking Routines (https://pz.harvard.edu/thinking-routines) Project Zero: See, Think, Wonder (https://pz.harvard.edu/resources/see-think-wonder) Studio Thinking Books and Resources (https://www.studiothinking.org/books.html) Peter London, No More Secondhand Art, Internet Archive (https://archive.org/details/nomoresecondhand00lond) Seymour Simmons III: The Value of Drawing (https://www.seymoursimmons.com/the-value-of-drawing) Artists Mentioned: Jean-Michel Basquiat, official estate website (https://www.basquiat.com/) Frida Kahlo Museum / Museo Frida Kahlo (https://www.museofridakahlo.org.mx/?lang=en) Mark Rothko, National Gallery of Art (https://www.nga.gov/artists/1839-mark-rothko) Pablo Picasso, National Gallery of Art (https://www.nga.gov/artists/1783-pablo-picasso) Vincent van Gogh, Van Gogh Museum (https://www.vangoghmuseum.nl/en/art-and-stories/art/vincent-van-gogh) Here is a link (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LBhIsGWKvyEXIIrGnVJmTgi1mJLpT6df1uk90qvUwRQ/edit?usp=sharing) to the lightly edited transcript of this episode. We recognize that there are probably errors and grammatical issues. If anyone with the time or inclination to edit this wants to do so, please email us at storytellers@teachingforartisticbehaviors.org (mailto:storytellers@teachingforartisticbehaviors.org).
1 Jun 2026
S4E11: Meet Tom Burkle & Liam Schneider
In this episode of TAB Storytellers, Jen and Abi sit down with longtime TAB educator Tom Burkle and preservice art educator Liam Schneider for a beautiful full-circle conversation about teaching, mentorship, student agency, and what it means to grow into TAB over time. Liam was once Tom’s elementary art student, later became Abi’s student at the University of Northern Colorado, and recently returned to Tom’s classroom as a student teacher. Together, they reflect on Tom’s early move toward choice, the small classroom moments that can shift an educator’s whole philosophy, and the power of seeing students, and future teachers, as capable artists and thinkers. The conversation moves through TAB history in Colorado, curriculum design, artist statements, classroom management, confidence-building, and the real planning and organization behind a choice-based studio. Tom and Liam also talk honestly about behavior, routines, individualized consequences, and the importance of reflective mentorship in helping new teachers stay grounded, curious, and willing to try again. Bonus update: Since this conversation was recorded in March (yes Abi was busy and yes she got behind and is playing catch up), Liam graduated and has found a job! He will be teaching high school pottery next year in the same town near Tom, and they are both excited for this next chapter. Here is a pic of Abi and Liam (https://docs.google.com/document/d/11t9CgwLtVnEkW08Emo0HlJ-rHsfh-svteeI69eQjsOg/edit?usp=sharing) from the right before Liam graduated. Resources Teaching for Artistic Behavior / TAB: Official TAB website and starting place for learning more about TAB pedagogy, practice, professional development, and community. https://teachingforartisticbehavior.org (https://teachingforartisticbehavior.org) TAB Community on Mighty Networks: Online community for TAB educators to connect, ask questions, and share resources. https://teaching-for-artistic-behavior-inc.mn.co/ (https://teaching-for-artistic-behavior-inc.mn.co/) Fred Tjardes School of Innovation, Greeley, Colorado: Mentioned by Liam and Abi as a powerful example of inquiry, student agency, theme-based learning, and choice-centered practice beyond the art room. https://ftsoi.greeleyschools.org/ (https://ftsoi.greeleyschools.org/) Understanding by Design by Grant Wiggins and Jay McTighe: Tom mentions this book as part of his early thinking around curriculum, assessment, and how students demonstrate higher-level thinking. https://www.ascd.org/books/understanding-by-design-expanded-2nd-edition (https://www.ascd.org/books/understanding-by-design-expanded-2nd-edition) Understanding by Design Framework White Paper: A helpful overview of the UbD framework for curriculum planning and assessment. https://files.ascd.org/staticfiles/ascd/pdf/siteASCD/publications/UbD_WhitePaper0312.pdf (https://files.ascd.org/staticfiles/ascd/pdf/siteASCD/publications/UbD_WhitePaper0312.pdf) Olivia Gude’s “Postmodern Principles: In Search of a 21st Century Art Education”: Liam references Connie Stewart introducing him to postmodern principles, which became a game changer in his understanding of choice, meaning-making, and contemporary art education. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00043125.2004.11653528 (https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00043125.2004.11653528) University of Northern Colorado: Referenced as part of Liam’s preservice teacher education journey and Abi’s teaching context. https://www.unco.edu/pva/art-design/areas/art-education/ (https://www.unco.edu/pva/art-design/areas/art-education/) TAB Colorado: Mentioned in the conversation as part of the broader Colorado TAB story and community. https://coloradotabinc.org (https://coloradotabinc.org) MassArt TAB Institute: Referenced in the conversation as part of the broader timeline of TAB professional learning and community-building. https://pce.massart.edu/programs/tab (https://pce.massart.edu/programs/tab) Teaching for Artistic Behavior: A Definition and Historiography by Abi Paytoe Gbayee: Abi mentions her dissertation and Tom’s connection to her research on continuums of choice. https://www.proquest.com/dissertations-theses/teaching-artistic-behavior-definition/docview/2817860186/se-2 (https://www.proquest.com/dissertations-theses/teaching-artistic-behavior-definition/docview/2817860186/se-2) Here is a lightly edited transcript (https://docs.google.com/document/d/11t9CgwLtVnEkW08Emo0HlJ-rHsfh-svteeI69eQjsOg/edit?usp=sharing) of this episode. We recognize that there are probably errors and grammatical issues. If anyone with the time or inclination to edit this wants to do so, please email us at storytellers@teachingforartisticbehaviors.org (mailto:storytellers@teachingforartisticbehaviors.org).
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