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The 80/20 Principle

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Tech and AI recommendations for solo and small-firm lawyers. The 20% that actually matters, not the hype and shiny objects that don't. Hosted by Ernie Svenson — a former big-firm litigator turned solo, then coach to lawyers learning technology. He's been doing this for 20+ years. Episodes are short and practical. Tool reviews, AI explainers, and stories from coaching lawyers — focused on what's worth your time and what isn't. Beyond the podcast, Ernie runs a private community called the Inner Circle — a collective R&D department for solo and small-firm lawyers who can't build one alone. To learn more visit: https://ernietheattorney.net/

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May 26, 2026

How a Seasoned Litigator Became an AI Power User

Host Ernie Svenson interviews litigator Richard Serpe about his rapid AI adoption, revealing how he leverages advanced tools for complex legal workflows and research.

May 12, 2026

326: Perplexity for Lawyers: AI Research With Sources

<div class="flex max-w-full flex-col gap-4 grow"> <div class= "min-h-8 text-message relative flex w-full flex-col items-end gap-2 text-start break-words whitespace-normal outline-none keyboard-focused:focus-ring [.text-message+&]:mt-1" dir="auto" tabindex="0" data-message-author-role="assistant" data-message-id="5845b4de-ff83-4487-b689-cebdea6e4ae2" data-message-model-slug="gpt-5-4-thinking" data-turn-start-message= "true"> <div class="flex w-full flex-col gap-1 empty:hidden"> <div class= "markdown prose dark:prose-invert w-full wrap-break-word light markdown-new-styling"> <p data-start="0" data-end="348">In this episode, we cover Perplexity—what it is, how it works, and why it deserves attention from solo and small firm lawyers. Ernie explains how Perplexity differs from traditional Google research by using AI to search the live web, synthesize answers, and provide footnoted citations so lawyers can quickly verify the sources behind the response.</p> <p data-start="350" data-end="816" data-is-last-node="" data-is-only-node="">You'll also hear practical examples of how lawyers are using Perplexity to research opposing counsel, evaluate expert witnesses, get oriented in unfamiliar areas of law, and test assumptions with sourced answers. Whether you are new to AI research tools or already using ChatGPT, Claude, or Gemini, this episode gives you a clear foundation for understanding where Perplexity fits—and why the next episode's conversation with Richard Serpe will make much more sense.</p> <p dir="ltr"><strong>Chapters</strong></p> <article class= "text-token-text-primary w-full focus:outline-none [--shadow-height:45px] has-data-writing-block:pointer-events-none has-data-writing-block:-mt-(--shadow-height) has-data-writing-block:pt-(--shadow-height) [&:has([data-writing-block])>*]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-(--header-height)" dir="auto" tabindex="-1" data-turn-id= "c9c2e10c-c222-4dda-96fc-a25e253f5f32" data-testid= "conversation-turn-1" data-scroll-anchor="false" data-turn="user"> </article> <article class= "text-token-text-primary w-full focus:outline-none [--shadow-height:45px] has-data-writing-block:pointer-events-none has-data-writing-block:-mt-(--shadow-height) has-data-writing-block:pt-(--shadow-height) [&:has([data-writing-block])>*]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" tabindex="-1" data-turn-id= "request-WEB:b3210431-d026-4045-b30d-b7c09679a93c-2" data-testid= "conversation-turn-2" data-scroll-anchor="false" data-turn= "assistant"> <div class= "text-base my-auto mx-auto [--thread-content-margin:var(--thread-content-margin-xs,calc(var(--spacing)*4))] @w-sm/main:[--thread-content-margin:var(--thread-content-margin-sm,calc(var(--spacing)*6))] @w-lg/main:[--thread-content-margin:var(--thread-content-margin-lg,calc(var(--spacing)*16))] px-(--thread-content-margin)"> <div class= "[--thread-content-max-width:40rem] @w-lg/main:[--thread-content-max-width:48rem] mx-auto max-w-(--thread-content-max-width) flex-1 group/turn-messages focus-visible:outline-hidden relative flex w-full min-w-0 flex-col agent-turn" tabindex="-1"> <div class="flex max-w-full flex-col gap-4 grow"> <div class= "min-h-8 text-message relative flex w-full flex-col items-end gap-2 text-start break-words whitespace-normal [.text-message+&]:mt-1" dir="auto" data-message-author-role="assistant" data-message-id= "89c35637-5a91-4496-9d7f-3b924caba422" data-message-model-slug= "gpt-5-3-instant"> <div class="flex w-full flex-col gap-1 empty:hidden"> <div class= "markdown prose dark:prose-invert w-full wrap-break-word light markdown-new-styling"> <p data-start="0" data-end="32">0:05 Perplexity Episode Overview<br /> 1:17 Smith AI Sponsor<br /> 2:49 Perplexity Basics<br /> 4:35 AI Landscape Comparison<br /> 6:27 Lawyer Use Cases<br /> 8:00 Paid Features<br /> 8:59 Perplexity Computer Preview<br /> 10:08 Inner Circle Invitation</p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </article> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="z-0 flex min-h-[46px] justify-start"> <strong style= "font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Open Sans', 'Helvetica Neue', sans-serif;">Resource Links</strong> <ul> <li><a href= "https://innercircle.ernietheattorney.net/chatgpt-workshop">AI Lab</a> (a weekly AI workshop for lawyers)</li> <li dir="ltr"><a href= "https://www.linkedin.com/posts/jp-mohler_what-if-any-legal-question-you-sent-to-chatgpt-activity-7432195299223281664-ERHe?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop&rcm=ACoAAAAAiI4BIKXLldQVdH743dE5K6qNNihv5Yc"> LinkedIn post</a> by attorney offering AI chatbot that protects privilege</li> <li dir="ltr"><a href= "https://innercircle.ernietheattorney.net/ernie-attorney-inner-circle/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=podcast_shownotes"> The Inner Circle</a> (my online community for lawyers)</li> <li><a href= "https://www.the8020lawyer.com/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=8020_podcast"> The 80/20 Principle</a> (my techlaw newsletter)</li> </ul> <p dir="ltr"><strong>Follow and Review:</strong></p> <p dir="ltr">I'd love for you to follow me if you haven't yet. Click that purple '+' in the top right corner of your Apple Podcasts app. I'd love it even more if you could drop a review or 5-star rating over on <a href= "https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-80-20-principle/id1412164187">Apple Podcasts</a>. Simply select "Ratings and Reviews" and "Write a Review" then a quick line with your favorite part of the episode. It only takes a second and it helps spread the word about the podcast.</p> <p dir="ltr"><strong>Thanks to the sponsor:</strong> <strong>Smith.ai</strong></p> <p dir="ltr"><a href= "https://smith.ai/chat/free-ai-chatbot?utm_source=ernie&utm_medium=website&utm_campaign=podcast"> Smith.ai</a> is an amazing virtual receptionist service that specializes in working with solo and small law firms. When you hire Smith.ai, you're hiring well-trained, friendly receptionists who can respond to callers in English or Spanish.</p> <p dir="ltr">And they have a special offer for podcast listeners where you can get an extra $100 discount with promo code ERNIE100. Sign up for a risk-free start with a 14-day money-back guarantee now (and learn more) at <a href= "https://smith.ai/chat/free-ai-chatbot?utm_source=ernie&utm_medium=website&utm_campaign=podcast">smith.ai</a>.</p> </div> <div class="mt-3 w-full empty:hidden"> </div>

April 14, 2026

325: Copilot Doubt To Power

<section class= "text-token-text-primary w-full focus:outline-none [--shadow-height:45px] has-data-writing-block:pointer-events-none has-data-writing-block:-mt-(--shadow-height) has-data-writing-block:pt-(--shadow-height) [&:has([data-writing-block])>*]:pointer-events-auto [content-visibility:auto] supports-[content-visibility:auto]:[contain-intrinsic-size:auto_100lvh] R6Vx5W_threadScrollVars scroll-mb-[calc(var(--scroll-root-safe-area-inset-bottom,0px)+var(--thread-response-height))] scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" data-turn-id= "request-WEB:209964d7-bb1a-4960-b41a-618e44294208-1" data-testid= "conversation-turn-4" data-scroll-anchor="false" data-turn= "assistant"> <div class= "text-base my-auto mx-auto pb-10 [--thread-content-margin:var(--thread-content-margin-xs,calc(var(--spacing)*4))] @w-sm/main:[--thread-content-margin:var(--thread-content-margin-sm,calc(var(--spacing)*6))] @w-lg/main:[--thread-content-margin:var(--thread-content-margin-lg,calc(var(--spacing)*16))] px-(--thread-content-margin)"> <div class= "[--thread-content-max-width:40rem] @w-lg/main:[--thread-content-max-width:48rem] mx-auto max-w-(--thread-content-max-width) flex-1 group/turn-messages focus-visible:outline-hidden relative flex w-full min-w-0 flex-col agent-turn"> <div class="flex max-w-full flex-col gap-4 grow"> <div class= "min-h-8 text-message relative flex w-full flex-col items-end gap-2 text-start break-words whitespace-normal outline-none keyboard-focused:focus-ring [.text-message+&]:mt-1" dir="auto" tabindex="0" data-message-author-role="assistant" data-message-id="5845b4de-ff83-4487-b689-cebdea6e4ae2" data-message-model-slug="gpt-5-4-thinking" data-turn-start-message= "true"> <div class="flex w-full flex-col gap-1 empty:hidden"> <div class= "markdown prose dark:prose-invert w-full wrap-break-word light markdown-new-styling"> <p data-start="0" data-end="782" data-is-last-node="" data-is-only-node="">In this episode, we talk with tax litigator Brandon Siegel about why Microsoft Copilot has gone from a disappointing experiment to a genuinely useful AI tool for legal work. We unpack what changed with Microsoft's latest updates, including direct Word editing, deeper research capabilities, and new ways to connect AI with the documents and systems lawyers already use every day.</p> <p data-start="0" data-end="782" data-is-last-node="" data-is-only-node="">You'll also hear Brandon explain his "braiding" approach—combining multiple AI tools so they strengthen each other's output—and why he believes Google Gemini remains one of the most overlooked options for lawyers. Whether you are testing Copilot, comparing AI platforms, or building a smarter workflow, this conversation offers practical ideas for getting more value from the tools available right now.</p> <p dir="ltr"><strong>Chapters</strong></p> <article class= "text-token-text-primary w-full focus:outline-none [--shadow-height:45px] has-data-writing-block:pointer-events-none has-data-writing-block:-mt-(--shadow-height) has-data-writing-block:pt-(--shadow-height) [&:has([data-writing-block])>*]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-(--header-height)" dir="auto" tabindex="-1" data-turn-id= "c9c2e10c-c222-4dda-96fc-a25e253f5f32" data-testid= "conversation-turn-1" data-scroll-anchor="false" data-turn="user"> </article> <article class= "text-token-text-primary w-full focus:outline-none [--shadow-height:45px] has-data-writing-block:pointer-events-none has-data-writing-block:-mt-(--shadow-height) has-data-writing-block:pt-(--shadow-height) [&:has([data-writing-block])>*]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" tabindex="-1" data-turn-id= "request-WEB:b3210431-d026-4045-b30d-b7c09679a93c-2" data-testid= "conversation-turn-2" data-scroll-anchor="false" data-turn= "assistant"> <div class= "text-base my-auto mx-auto [--thread-content-margin:var(--thread-content-margin-xs,calc(var(--spacing)*4))] @w-sm/main:[--thread-content-margin:var(--thread-content-margin-sm,calc(var(--spacing)*6))] @w-lg/main:[--thread-content-margin:var(--thread-content-margin-lg,calc(var(--spacing)*16))] px-(--thread-content-margin)"> <div class= "[--thread-content-max-width:40rem] @w-lg/main:[--thread-content-max-width:48rem] mx-auto max-w-(--thread-content-max-width) flex-1 group/turn-messages focus-visible:outline-hidden relative flex w-full min-w-0 flex-col agent-turn" tabindex="-1"> <div class="flex max-w-full flex-col gap-4 grow"> <div class= "min-h-8 text-message relative flex w-full flex-col items-end gap-2 text-start break-words whitespace-normal [.text-message+&]:mt-1" dir="auto" data-message-author-role="assistant" data-message-id= "89c35637-5a91-4496-9d7f-3b924caba422" data-message-model-slug= "gpt-5-3-instant"> <div class="flex w-full flex-col gap-1 empty:hidden"> <div class= "markdown prose dark:prose-invert w-full wrap-break-word light markdown-new-styling"> <p data-start="0" data-end="32">0:05 Copilot Skeptic To Believer<br /> 2:00 Brandon's AI Journey<br /> 7:18 Wave 3 And Word Editing<br /> 13:02 Braiding Multiple AI Tools<br /> <span style= "font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Open Sans', 'Helvetica Neue', sans-serif;"> 14:46 Deep Research And Cowork<br /></span><span style= "font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Open Sans', 'Helvetica Neue', sans-serif;">23:54 Why Gemini Stands Out</span></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </article> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="z-0 flex min-h-[46px] justify-start"> <p><strong>Resource Links</strong></p> <ul> <li><a href= "https://innercircle.ernietheattorney.net/chatgpt-workshop">AI Lab</a> (a weekly AI workshop for lawyers)</li> <li dir="ltr"><a href= "https://www.linkedin.com/posts/jp-mohler_what-if-any-legal-question-you-sent-to-chatgpt-activity-7432195299223281664-ERHe?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop&rcm=ACoAAAAAiI4BIKXLldQVdH743dE5K6qNNihv5Yc"> LinkedIn post</a> by attorney offering AI chatbot that protects privilege</li> <li dir="ltr"><a href= "https://innercircle.ernietheattorney.net/ernie-attorney-inner-circle/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=podcast_shownotes"> The Inner Circle</a> (my online community for lawyers)</li> <li><a href= "https://www.the8020lawyer.com/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=8020_podcast"> The 80/20 Principle</a> (my techlaw newsletter)</li> </ul> <p dir="ltr"><strong>Follow and Review:</strong></p> <p dir="ltr">I'd love for you to follow me if you haven't yet. Click that purple '+' in the top right corner of your Apple Podcasts app. I'd love it even more if you could drop a review or 5-star rating over on <a href= "https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-80-20-principle/id1412164187">Apple Podcasts</a>. Simply select "Ratings and Reviews" and "Write a Review" then a quick line with your favorite part of the episode. It only takes a second and it helps spread the word about the podcast.</p> <p dir="ltr"><strong>Thanks to the sponsor:</strong> <strong>Smith.ai</strong></p> <p dir="ltr"><a href= "https://smith.ai/chat/free-ai-chatbot?utm_source=ernie&utm_medium=website&utm_campaign=podcast"> Smith.ai</a> is an amazing virtual receptionist service that specializes in working with solo and small law firms. When you hire Smith.ai, you're hiring well-trained, friendly receptionists who can respond to callers in English or Spanish.</p> <p dir="ltr">And they have a special offer for podcast listeners where you can get an extra $100 discount with promo code ERNIE100. Sign up for a risk-free start with a 14-day money-back guarantee now (and learn more) at <a href= "https://smith.ai/chat/free-ai-chatbot?utm_source=ernie&utm_medium=website&utm_campaign=podcast">smith.ai</a>.</p> </div> <div class="mt-3 w-full empty:hidden"> <div class="text-center"> </div> </div> </div> </div> </section> <div class= "pointer-events-none -mt-px h-px translate-y-[calc(var(--scroll-root-safe-area-inset-bottom)-14*var(--spacing))]" aria-hidden="true"> </div>

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What is The 80/20 Principle?: Tech and AI recommendations for solo and small-firm lawyers. The 20% that actually matters, not the hype and shiny objects that don't.

Hosted by Ernie Svenson — a former big-firm litigator turned solo, then coach to lawyers learning technology. He's been doing this for 20+ years.

Episodes are short and practical. Tool reviews, AI explainers, and stories from coaching lawyers — focused on what's worth your time and what isn't.

Beyond the podcast, Ernie runs a private community called the Inner Circle — a collective R&D department for solo and small-firm lawyers who can't build one alone. To learn more visit: https://ernietheattorney.net/
How often does this podcast release new episodes?: This podcast updates daily.
Where can I listen to this podcast?: This podcast is available on 10 platforms including Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and more. You can also use the RSS feed directly.
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