When it comes to bootstrapping and building software, there's rarely one right answer. We want to dive into the nuance. In every episode, veteran founders Justin Jackson, Brian Casel and Jordan Gal tackle thorny topics – from pricing and product strategy to work-life balance. No gurus, no easy answers – just real conversations we'd normally have behind closed doors.

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When it comes to bootstrapping and building software, there's rarely one right answer. We want to dive into the nuance. In every episode, veteran founders Justin Jackson, Brian Casel and Jordan Gal tackle thorny topics – from pricing and product strategy to work-life balance. No gurus, no easy answers – just real conversations we'd normally have behind closed doors.
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July 31, 2026
Fiddling With Your Funnel
<p>How's your funnel doing? Jordan and Brian are joined by Henry Poydar to chat about integrating human and autonomous agents, building and testing product prototypes in days, not years, the importance of flexible, adaptive funnels, and debate the future of SaaS, unbundling, and the agent-first software paradigm. </p><p>Timestamps:<br><strong>YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️</strong></p><p>🎤 <a href="https://oxtmdbpx.clarityflow.com/i/the-panel">Send us an audio or video message</a></p><p>📧 <strong>Email us:</strong> panelpodcastshow@gmail.com</p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Adp3HgT3UWs" title="📺 Leave a comment on YouTube">📺 Leave a comment on YouTube</a><br> </p><p><a href="https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:7nxol62kr4slo6zk6tnyfmbi/post/3mry54suurw25" title="🦋 Reply on Bluesky">🦋 Reply on Bluesky</a><br> <br></p><p><strong>Links mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://runsteady.com/">Steady</a></li><li><a href="https://heyrosy.com/">HeyRosy</a></li><li><a href="https://buildermethods.com/">Builder Methods</a></li><li><a href="https://openroutines.dev/">OpenRoutines.dev</a></li><li><a href="https://claude.ai/">Claude</a></li><li><a href="https://flywrite.app/">Flywrite</a></li><li><a href="https://vanta.com/">Vanta</a></li><li><a href="https://www.drip.com/">Drip</a></li><li><a href="https://bentonow.com/">Bento</a></li><li><a href="https://www.helpscout.com/">Help Scout</a></li></ul>

July 11, 2026
DRUNK ON FABLE
<p>What happens to the value of software when everyone can make software?</p><p>Timestamps:<br>00:00 Welcome to The Panel<br>00:31 Brian’s Brighton Ruby trip<br>03:12 Building FlyWrite in the car<br>05:01 Why existing coding tools don’t work for writing<br>07:20 What FlyWrite actually does<br>11:37 Building version one with Fable<br>16:04 Jordan’s weekend build and first AI-native workflow<br>28:38 Claude Design and interactive prototyping<br>36:41 AI, software supply, and productivity<br>39:09 The Jeremy Giffin podcast episode<br>48:55 What AI means for Transistor and hosting<br>58:19 Google, Microsoft, Apple, and the AI distribution war<br>63:28 Figma, design careers, and the white-flag mindset<br>74:08 What happens to agencies and web designers<br>81:05 Transition pain vs. long-term upside<br>90:13 Becoming AI-native and where do displaced workers go?</p><p><strong>YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️</strong></p><p>🎤 <a href="https://oxtmdbpx.clarityflow.com/i/the-panel">Send us an audio or video message</a></p><p>📧 <strong>Email us:</strong> panelpodcastshow@gmail.com</p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y9Ivt0VM0o" title="📺 Leave a comment on YouTube">📺 Leave a comment on YouTube</a><br> </p><p><a href="https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:7nxol62kr4slo6zk6tnyfmbi/post/3mqdob7dmia2w" title="🦋 Reply on Bluesky">🦋 Reply on Bluesky</a><br> <br></p><p><strong>Links mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.superconductor.com/">Superconductor</a></li><li><a href="https://faster.dev/">faster.dev</a></li><li><a href="https://www.conductorai.com/">ConductorAI</a></li><li><a href="https://cursor.com/">Cursor</a></li><li><a href="https://flywrite.app/">Flywrite</a></li><li><a href="https://railway.com/">Railway</a></li><li><a href="https://base44.com/">Base44</a></li><li><a href="https://lovable.dev/">Lovable</a></li><li><a href="https://www.wildbit.com/blog/author/natalie.html">Wildbit Blog (Natalie Nagele)</a></li><li><a href="https://www.harvey.ai/roi-calculator/law-firm">Harvey ROI Calculator</a></li><li><a href="https://spots.fm/">Spots.fm</a></li><li><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20180909014043/https://spots.fm/">Spots (2018 archive)</a></li><li><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130824095135/http://productpeople.tv/shoutout/">Product People shoutout (2013 archive)</a></li><li><a href="https://claude.ai/design">Claude Design</a></li><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/jeremy-giffon-the-billion-dollar-pdf/id1154105909?i=1000775763105">Invest Like the Best — Jeremy Giffon</a></li><li><a href="https://x.com/galshirart/status/2074854464729629060">Gal Shir on X</a></li><li><a href="https://www.oneeducation.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/napkin-selection-6.png">Chef hierarchy pyramid</a></li><li><a href="https://www.epi.org/blog/the-widening-productivity-pay-gap/">The widening productivity-pay gap</a></li></ul>

June 26, 2026
I Want it That Way
<p>Justin and Jordan talk about how Jordan made a change to their funnel and increased sign ups dramatically, improving team communication, conducting better employee reviews, and developing better workflows for project handoffs between employees when AI is being used.</p><p>Timestamps:<br><strong>YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️</strong></p><p>🎤 <a href="https://oxtmdbpx.clarityflow.com/i/the-panel">Send us an audio or video message</a></p><p>📧 <strong>Email us:</strong> panelpodcastshow@gmail.com</p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjfrmSjKYU8" title="📺 Leave a comment on YouTube">📺 Leave a comment on YouTube</a><br> </p><p><a href="https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:7nxol62kr4slo6zk6tnyfmbi/post/3mpa25lauk52e" title="🦋 Reply on Bluesky">🦋 Reply on Bluesky</a><br> <br></p><p><strong>Links mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://transistor.fm/">Transistor.fm</a></li><li><a href="https://heyorosy.com/">HeyRosy</a></li><li><a href="https://www.anthropic.com/index.html">Claude AI</a></li><li><a href="https://example.com/victor-post">Victor's Post on Market Pull</a></li><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryan-cohen/">Ryan Cohen</a></li><li><a href="https://youtube.com/search?q=Tony+Fadell">Tony Fadell</a></li><li><a href="https://cardhook.com/">Cardhook</a></li><li><a href="https://www.acquired.fm/episodes/the-walt-disney-company">The Walt Disney Company | Acquired</a></li></ul><p><br></p>
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