Bill Wilson, co-founder of Alcoholic's Anonymous, wrote in 1952, "If we examine every disturbance we have, great or small, we will find at the root some unhealthy dependence and its consequent demand." Wilson suggested that if we could identify and continually surrender these unrealistic and unrecognizable demands, that we may then be able to accomplish what he imagined to be recovery's next frontier - something he called emotional sobriety. Flash forward 70 years, and join psychotherapists and best-selling authors Thom Rutledge and Dr. Allen Berger, who have taken up the mantle of exploring Bill Wilson's new frontier. Welcome to Emotional Sobriety.

Emotional Sobriety: The Next Step in Recovery
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Bill Wilson, co-founder of Alcoholic's Anonymous, wrote in 1952, "If we examine every disturbance we have, great or small, we will find at the root some unhealthy dependence and its consequent demand." Wilson suggested that if we could identify and continually surrender these unrealistic and unrecognizable demands, that we may then be able to accomplish what he imagined to be recovery's next frontier - something he called emotional sobriety. Flash forward 70 years, and join psychotherapists and best-selling authors Thom Rutledge and Dr. Allen Berger, who have taken up the mantle of exploring Bill Wilson's new frontier. Welcome to Emotional Sobriety.
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Recent Episodes

July 6, 2026
Positive Opportunism & Benevolent Manipulation
Host Thom Rutledge interviews Joe C. about practicing positive opportunism and dislodging the false self for authentic growth in recovery.

June 29, 2026
Out of the Hurt Locker
Host Thom Rutledge explores managing expectations and building self-esteem to navigate pain, offering insights for emotional wholeness in recovery.

June 23, 2026
Let It Be (With Joe C.)
Host Thom Rutledge interviews Joe Chisholm about embracing difficult circumstances with strength and wisdom, drawing inspiration from Rumi and Paul McCartney.
233 total episodes available with 16 transcripts
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