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Equine Assisted World with Rupert Isaacson

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Here on Equine Assisted World. We look at the cutting edge and the best practices currently being developed and, established in the equine assisted field. This can be psychological, this can be neuropsych, this can be physical, this can be all of the conditions that human beings have that these lovely equines, these beautiful horses that we work with, help us with. Your Host is New York Times bestselling author Rupert Isaacson. Long time human rights activist, Rupert helped a group of Bushmen in the Kalahari fight for their ancestral lands. He's probably best known for his autism advocacy work following the publication of his bestselling book "The Horse Boy" and "The Long Ride Home" where he tells the story of finding healing for his autistic son. Subsequently he founded New Trails Learning Systems an approach for addressing neuro-psychiatric conditions through horses, movement and nature. The methods are now used around the world in therapeutic riding program, therapy offices and schools for special needs and neuro-typical children. You can find details of all our programs and shows on www.RupertIsaacson.com.

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May 28, 2026

Your Horse Can Feel Your Heartbeat | Kansas Carradine | EAW 55

✨ "What is HeartMath doing? They're measuring your care." – Kansas Carradine Description Kansas Carradine is a HeartMath-certified trainer, acrobatic stunt rider, and equine guided educator based in the Sierra Nevada mountains of California. She spent years performing with the international touring show Cavalia — working alongside 70+ head of horses, many of them stallions — before dedicating her work to heart-based horsemanship and emotional regulation.What makes Kansas's approach distinctive is the bridge she builds between rigorous science and lived horsemanship. HeartMath is not just a breathing technique; it is a research-backed body of work measuring the electromagnetic output of the heart, heart rate variability coherence, and the demonstrable effect of human emotional states on the beings — horse and human alike — around us. For equine-assisted practitioners, that has profound implications.In this conversation, Rupert and Kansas explore how heart coherence can be layered into any equine-assisted modality, why horses are uniquely able to detect incoherent emotional fields, the science behind the toric field and biophoton emission, and how Kansas's own path — from a difficult childhood at a California trick-riding ranch, through Cavalia's global stages, to HeartMath certification — shaped her understanding of regulation, resilience, and the horse as healer. She and Rupert also announce a planned 2027 collaboration. If you want to support the show, you can do so at Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/LongRideHomeIf you want to support the show, you can do so at Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/LongRideHome🔍 What You'll Learn in This Episode<ul><li>How the heart functions as an electromagnetic organ — always broadcasting and receiving — and why this matters in the saddle</li><li>Why HeartMath is not a relaxation technique but an adaptogenic one: it balances both over-activated and shutdown nervous systems</li><li>What heart rate variability (HRV) coherence is, how it is measured, and what a 2025 peer-reviewed study in Global Advances in Integrative Medicine and Health found about its clinical outcomes for anxiety, depression, and trauma</li><li>How a 1997 University of Kassel study suggested that heart-centered meditators can emit up to 100,000 photons of light per second — compared with 20 in average individuals</li><li>Why horses in fight-or-flight broadcast incoherent fields, and why a calm, coherent horse feels the way it does to be near</li><li>How the toric field — the measurable electromagnetic pulse of the heart — extends roughly arm's-length from the body, carrying a unique energetic fingerprint for each emotional state</li><li>Why a little sympathetic arousal is necessary for engagement and learning, and how HeartMath creates the sweet spot between shutdown and hyperactivation</li><li>How trick riding — rooted in Cossack cavalry training — functions as a martial art form requiring zonal focus under high pressure, and what Kansas learned about regulation inside that crucible</li><li>How to use a simple heart-focus breath practice (even mid-session) to set the energetic field before working with horses or clients</li><li>Why HeartMath's research is now extending to plants and trees as the next frontier of measuring human heart-field impact</li><li>How Kansas's online courses approach HeartMath from the equestrian's perspective — and how to reach her for one-on-one coaching or in-person clinics</li></ul>🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode[00:02:20] Kansas defines HeartMath as both a research institute and a practical modality — and walks listeners through a live heart-focus breathing exercise [00:08:18] The toric field explained: the measurable electromagnetic pulse of the heart and what it broadcasts depending on your emotional state [00:17:11] Why HeartMath is not about relaxation — the adaptogenic heart response and why shutdown clients do not need more parasympathetic [00:21:59] Kansas describes running away to Reata Ranch at age 11 and being raised within its highly structured trick-riding world for seven years [00:44:39] Trick riding as martial art: how Cossack acrobatic training shaped Kansas's capacity for high-pressure focus — and the cost of that [01:20:02] Rupert reads aloud the 1997 University of Kassel biophoton study — 100,000 photons per second from heart-centered meditators [01:48:37] Kansas explains how to get started: online courses, one-on-one coaching, and the Inner Balance biofeedback device [01:51:40] Kansas leads a second live heart-coherence practice — breathing gratitude in and out through the heart [02:06:26] Rupert and Kansas announce their planned 2027 collaboration in the Sierra Nevadas and a short-form YouTube series📚 Contact, Projects, and Resources MentionedKansas Carradine – HeartMath-Certified Trainer, Equine Guided Educator https://circuscowgirl.com kansascarradine@gmail.com Facebook: Search Kansas CarradineHeartMath Institute – Research, courses, and Inner Balance biofeedback device https://heartmath.orgNew Trails Learning Systems – Horse Boy Method, Movement Method & Takhin Equine Integration https://ntls.co Rupert Isaacson / Long Ride Home https://rupertisaacson.com Patreon Support https://www.patreon.com/LongRideHome🌍 Follow UsLong Ride Home https://longridehome.com https://facebook.com/longridehome.lrh https://instagram.com/longridehome_lrh https://youtube.com/@longridehome New Trails Learning Systems https://ntls.co https://facebook.com/horseboyworld https://instagram.com/horseboyworld https://youtube.com/newtrailslearningsystems📊 Affiliate DisclosureLinks to books and products may include affiliate tracking. We may earn a commission if you make a purchase, at no extra cost to you. Thank you for supporting the show.

May 14, 2026

What Happens After the Horse? Neuroscience Tools for Home & Beyond | Kim Barthel & Leana Tank | EAW 54

Kim Barthel is an occupational therapist, international educator, and author based in British Columbia, Canada, trained in sensory integration, neurodevelopmental therapy, and holotropic breathwork. Leana Tank is an occupational therapist and consultant working with complex populations including individuals in the criminal justice system, combining equine-assisted practice with deep expertise in movement, trauma, and the nervous system. Together, they bring a rare combination of neurological precision and on-the-ground practicality to one of the most overlooked questions in equine-assisted work: what are you doing with your clients when they are not on — or with — the horse? This conversation digs into the neuroscience of the vestibular system, interoception, bilateral stimulation, and why movement is far more than muscles. Kim and Leana share concrete tools — from saddle stools at home to pickle juice to the long gaze — and explore why the relational environment may ultimately matter even more than the physical one. ✨ "The brain can change until you stop breathing." – Kim Barthel If you want to support the show, you can do so at Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/LongRideHome 🔍 What You'll Learn in This Episode<ul><li>Why what happens off the horse — at the barn, at home, in the community — is just as important as the session itself</li><li>How the vestibular system develops in utero and why almost every developmental difference affects it</li><li>What the inner core muscles (diaphragm, pelvic floor, transverse abdominis, multifidus) have to do with regulation, interoception, and feeling safe</li><li>Why the horse's three-dimensional movement provides a backdrop the brain cannot easily access in stillness</li><li>What interoception is, why many autistic individuals experience a blurred boundary between self and world, and how horseback riding supports this</li><li>How to design simple home environments and daily activities that continue the neuroplasticity work between sessions</li><li>Why stimming is not a problem to fix but a movement toward wholeness — and how to support it constructively</li><li>What a "sensory diet" is and why individualized approaches work better than generic protocols</li><li>How bilateral stimulation (crossing the midline) integrates the two brain hemispheres and why this matters for both autism and trauma</li><li>Why the relational environment — feeling seen and supported — may be the most powerful variable of all</li><li>What the Default Mode Network and Salience Network are, and why nature shifts the brain into restoration</li><li>Practical at-home tools: the long gaze, saddle-shaped stools, office chair rotation, barefoot movement, pushing/pulling exercises, and foraging tasks</li><li>How holotropic breathwork connects shamanic tradition to modern neuroscience through rhythm, movement, and breath</li></ul>🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode[00:09:44] Kim explains why the horse is "so much more than a horse" — the unappreciated relational variable in equine work [00:16:08] Kim breaks down the inner core system: diaphragm, pelvic floor, and why posture on a horse activates all of it [00:18:43] Kim defines interoception — the internal awareness of "this is me and this is not me" — and how the horse enables it [00:23:02] Leana describes transforming a collapsed young man through intentional off-road nature walks [00:43:00] Kim shares the story of a 13-year-old who hadn't slept more than 20 minutes a night — and how a spinning office chair changed everything [01:00:28] Rupert and Leana discuss what to give overworked care staff when the therapist walks out the door [01:19:00] Leana tells the story of a client who alchemized profound trauma into gratitude — a conversation that happened while walking [01:48:00] Kim's story: sitting silently on the curb beside an unhoused young man, saying "I see you" — and meeting him two years later at Walmart with a job [01:53:47] Kim explains the Default Mode Network vs the Salience Network — why nature restores us [02:00:53] Kim introduces "the long gaze" — how even a screensaver can shift the brain toward restoration📚 Contact, Projects, and Resources MentionedKim Barthel – Occupational Therapist, Educator, Author https://kimbarthel.ca Autism Matters – Kim Barthel's online webinar series https://kimbarthel.ca Leana Tank – OT, Constellations Consulting https://constellationsconsulting.org My Octopus Teacher – Netflix documentary featuring Craig Foster https://www.netflix.com/title/81016226 New Trails Learning Systems – Horse Boy Method, Movement Method & Takhin Equine Integration https://ntls.co Rupert Isaacson / Long Ride Home https://rupertisaacson.com Patreon Support https://www.patreon.com/LongRideHome 🌍 Follow UsLong Ride Home https://longridehome.com https://facebook.com/longridehome.lrh https://instagram.com/longridehome_lrh https://youtube.com/@longridehome New Trails Learning Systems https://ntls.co https://facebook.com/horseboyworld https://instagram.com/horseboyworld https://youtube.com/newtrailslearningsystems 📊 Affiliate DisclosureLinks to books and products may include affiliate tracking. We may earn a commission if you make a purchase, at no extra cost to you. Thank you for supporting the show.

April 30, 2026

Horses Don't Lie to Veterans | Jane Strong | EAW 53

✨ "The horses don't see the stories. They see who you are right now — and what you brought with you." – Jane StrongJane Strong is the founder and executive director of The Equus Effect, a nonprofit based in Connecticut, USA, that uses equine-assisted experiences to help veterans and first responders rebuild healthy relationships — with themselves, each other, and their communities.What sets Jane's work apart is her refusal to treat trauma as a diagnosis to manage. A former ethnographic researcher who spent decades studying subcultures for corporate clients, Jane came to horses and veterans with the same tool she'd always trusted: genuine curiosity. The Equus Effect's 16-hour curriculum blends somatic body-based practices, emotional agility training, and progressive groundwork with horses — all without metaphor, without therapy-speak, and without telling a veteran what anything means.This conversation covers Jane's unusual path — from advertising research to Monty Roberts to a 30-year-old Mustang who taught her that guilt is a waste of time — and dives deep into why horses are uniquely suited to reach the people hardest to reach: the ones still scanning for threats, still waiting for the playbook, still paying a nervous system tax no one else can see.If you want to support the show, you can do so at Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/LongRideHome🔍 What You'll Learn in This Episode<ul><li>Why veterans and first responders experience transition stress as a nervous system cost — and why talk therapy often falls short</li><li>How ethnographic research trained Jane to enter any culture with curiosity instead of assumptions — and why that's essential for working with military populations</li><li>Why The Equus Effect never uses metaphor in their horse work, and what happens when they let veterans find their own meaning instead</li><li>How the program's somatic body scan and joint warmup prepare participants neurologically before they ever touch a horse</li><li>Why horses respond differently to officers than to enlisted personnel — and what that reveals about internal organization</li><li>What "uncoupling" means in trauma work, and the story of the veteran who found his focus again — safely — while leading a horse in a circle</li><li>Why Jane advises against letting participants know each other's rank, and what she learned the hard way when she didn't follow this rule</li><li>How The Equus Effect's 16-hour curriculum unfolds across four sessions — from barn introduction to liberty work — and why soak time between sessions matters</li><li>What the Enneagram's three centers of intelligence (body, heart, mind) have to do with how people move and communicate with horses</li><li>Why you don't need a military or first responder background to serve this population — and why Jane believes it may actually help not to have one</li><li>How the program uses movie clips to open conversations about fear, vulnerability, anger, and depression — without singling anyone out</li><li>Why curiosity and compassion are inseparable, and what gets lost when we enter any population believing we already know who they are</li><li>How Jane finally secured a VA grant after 12+ years of program delivery — and what she learned about navigating that process</li></ul>🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode[00:02:34] Jane describes the 22-suicides-a-day statistic that launched The Equus Effect in 2008 [00:04:57] Four years of meetings before the VA agreed to send veterans — and what finally changed their minds [00:16:49] Jane explains why "helping" can hide a fixing mentality — and what curiosity looks like instead [00:41:00] Why Jane never introduces participants by rank — and the session that taught her this the hard way [00:57:34] Jane recalls losing her horse as a teenager and the moment she walked away from riding for years [01:17:25] A 35-year-old Mustang named Noche who couldn't be touched — and the message he gave her about guilt [01:57:48] The veteran who felt his focus return while leading a horse in a circle — and heard the words "this time, you were safe" [02:06:00] Jane explains how to access The Equus Effect's facilitator training and upcoming workshops [02:11:42] The nightmare of VA grant applications — and how hiring a grant writer made the difference [02:20:04] The closing reflection: can you have compassion without curiosity? 📚 Contact, Projects, and Resources MentionedJane Strong – Founder & Executive Director, The Equus Effect https://theequuseffect.org New Trails Learning Systems – Horse Boy Method, Movement Method & Takhin Equine Integration https://ntls.co Rupert Isaacson / Long Ride Home https://rupertisaacson.com Patreon Support https://www.patreon.com/LongRideHome 🌍 Follow UsLong Ride Home https://longridehome.com https://facebook.com/longridehome.lrh https://instagram.com/longridehome_lrh https://youtube.com/@longridehome New Trails Learning Systems https://ntls.co https://facebook.com/horseboyworld https://instagram.com/horseboyworld https://youtube.com/newtrailslearningsystems 📊 Affiliate DisclosureLinks to books and products may include affiliate tracking. We may earn a commission if you make a purchase, at no extra cost to you. Thank you for supporting the show.

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What is Equine Assisted World with Rupert Isaacson?: Here on Equine Assisted World. We look at the cutting edge and the best practices currently being developed and, established in the equine assisted field. This can be psychological, this can be neuropsych, this can be physical, this can be all of the conditions that human beings have that these lovely equines, these beautiful horses that we work with, help us with.

Your Host is New York Times bestselling author Rupert Isaacson. Long time human rights activist, Rupert helped a group of Bushmen in the Kalahari fight for their ancestral lands. He's probably best known for his autism advocacy work following the publication of his bestselling book "The Horse Boy" and "The Long Ride Home" where he tells the story of finding healing for his autistic son. Subsequently he founded New Trails Learning Systems an approach for addressing neuro-psychiatric conditions through horses, movement and nature. The methods are now used around the world in therapeutic riding program, therapy offices and schools for special needs and neuro-typical children.

You can find details of all our programs and shows on www.RupertIsaacson.com.
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