「真诚睿智 活出勇气 向死而生」 「时代越碎片化，我们越需要完整的灵魂」
「关雅荻·开放对话」是由电影人、户外极限运动爱好者关雅荻发起的一档长对谈视频播客，也是国内独具一格的个人表达空间，希望能在这里聚集更多有趣而完整的灵魂。
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「真诚睿智 活出勇气 向死而生」 「时代越碎片化，我们越需要完整的灵魂」 「关雅荻·开放对话」是由电影人、户外极限运动爱好者关雅荻发起的一档长对谈视频播客，也是国内独具一格的个人表达空间，希望能在这里聚集更多有趣而完整的灵魂。 本节目每周更新，欢迎在各大视频、社交媒体平台搜索「关雅荻·开放对话」进行收看，也可以在各大泛用性播客平台收听纯音频版。 本节目欢迎各种形式的赞助合作。 邮箱：guanyadi@vip.163.com 工作vx：10224141
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<p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">*本期录制于2026年6月14日，东莞，华为HDC现场</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><img data-key="0" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/3de9-audiofreehighqps/AA/07/GKwRIRwOA1cZAAP48wSoNc57.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/3de9-audiofreehighqps/AA/07/GKwRIRwOA1cZAAP48wSoNc57.jpg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/3de9-audiofreehighqps/AA/07/GKwRIRwOA1cZAAP48wSoNc57.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="418.6046511627907" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/3de9-audiofreehighqps/AA/07/GKwRIRwOA1cZAAP48wSoNc57.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="78.13953488372093"><br></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">开放对话的人：</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">李志明，日谈公园 / 热点咖喱贡</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">羊行，苦中找乐</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><img data-key="1" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/0f3f-audiofreehighqps/E5/40/GAqhy90OA08oAAcnxwSoNIrp.jpeg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/0f3f-audiofreehighqps/E5/40/GAqhy90OA08oAAcnxwSoNIrp.jpeg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/0f3f-audiofreehighqps/E5/40/GAqhy90OA08oAAcnxwSoNIrp.jpeg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="421.875" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/0f3f-audiofreehighqps/E5/40/GAqhy90OA08oAAcnxwSoNIrp.jpeg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="78.75"><br></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">本期主要内容：</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">这期节目是关雅荻、李志明、羊行三位播客主播在东莞松山湖、华为HDC 2026开发者大会现场录制的特别一期。松山湖园区仿照欧洲小镇而建，关雅荻调侃发朋友圈后一半人真以为身在捷克，三人也在开场分享了现场蹭自助餐失败、放弃"黯然销魂饭"等一连串啼笑皆非的经历。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">谈及参会感受，他们被大会的规模和年轻、朝气蓬勃的开发者群体所震撼，感受到强烈的"未来感"和商业化能量,也意识到自己所处的文娱内容圈与技术开发者群体之间存在距离。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><img data-key="2" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/4c0f-audiofreehighqps/74/CC/GAqhT9EOA09QAAZhFwSoNJGm.jpeg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/4c0f-audiofreehighqps/74/CC/GAqhT9EOA09QAAZhFwSoNJGm.jpeg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/4c0f-audiofreehighqps/74/CC/GAqhT9EOA09QAAZhFwSoNJGm.jpeg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="421.875" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/4c0f-audiofreehighqps/74/CC/GAqhT9EOA09QAAZhFwSoNJGm.jpeg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="78.75"><br></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">节目核心落在播客行业的现状与未来。关雅荻指出,鸿蒙系统拥有6600万终端用户，但很多人对"什么是播客"仍认知模糊，甚至有人以为播客就是罗永浩、罗振宇或郭德纲。他主张华为不必纠结定义，应发挥操作系统的渗透优势，把优质播客内容直接嵌入各行各业的线下活动、以文字快讯压缩推送等方式，让大众通过"好内容"自然接触播客——这正是"让播客去播客"的含义。三人还探讨了华为做播客生态的动机:并非为多卖手机,而是通过深度、沉浸式的"好黏性"内容增加用户粘性。他们也聊到商业化机会,认为平台、播客内容与品牌方可以打通,形成双向奔赴的连接节点。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><img data-key="3" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/6c24-audiofreehighqps/54/81/GAqhJLsOA09ZAAYdBASoNJMO.jpeg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/6c24-audiofreehighqps/54/81/GAqhJLsOA09ZAAYdBASoNJMO.jpeg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/6c24-audiofreehighqps/54/81/GAqhJLsOA09ZAAYdBASoNJMO.jpeg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="421.875" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/6c24-audiofreehighqps/54/81/GAqhJLsOA09ZAAYdBASoNJMO.jpeg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="78.75"><br></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">后半程,三人围绕"播客是谁、从哪来、往哪去"展开,回顾了中国播客从2005年至今的历史变迁,以及小宇宙用户群体如"忒修斯之船"般的更替。李志明坦言自己曾强烈抵触视频播客,坚持"声音的价值",但2026年客户纷纷要求露脸且不加预算,让他"十年教育用户全白干"。他借金花"不下车、贴在履带上"的名言,表达了播客人拥抱变化、破除"我执"的心态。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><img data-key="4" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/5078-audiofreehighqps/2C/25/GAqh9TMOA09kAAZCiQSoNJRe.jpeg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/5078-audiofreehighqps/2C/25/GAqh9TMOA09kAAZCiQSoNJRe.jpeg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/5078-audiofreehighqps/2C/25/GAqh9TMOA09kAAZCiQSoNJRe.jpeg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="421.875" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/5078-audiofreehighqps/2C/25/GAqh9TMOA09kAAZCiQSoNJRe.jpeg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="78.75"><br></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">节目尾声,李志明宣布日谈公园孵化的短播客《热点咖喱贡》当晚正式独立上线。这档由他和搭档每周聊热点的短节目数据表现亮眼,常上热榜,他们大胆预测其未来或将超过日谈本身,体现了老牌播客求新求变、押注新内容形态的决心。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">关雅荻也预告了「狂喜Special Day」的三场活动，分别是：</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">6月19日，上海，INS新乐园的端午节开放日·现场播客互动录制（免费报名）</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">6月20日，上海，新天地东台里，AI CINEMA，首届「AI娱乐内容产业峰会」</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">6月27日，廊坊，「只有红楼梦·戏剧幻城」跨界共创日</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">欢迎大家关注微信公众号「狂喜播客节」最近发布的招募消息</p><span><br><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><img data-key="5" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/3bbb-audiofreehighqps/BC/C3/GKwRIRwOA099AAcjiQSoNJgQ.jpeg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/3bbb-audiofreehighqps/BC/C3/GKwRIRwOA099AAcjiQSoNJgQ.jpeg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/3bbb-audiofreehighqps/BC/C3/GKwRIRwOA099AAcjiQSoNJgQ.jpeg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="421.875" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/3bbb-audiofreehighqps/BC/C3/GKwRIRwOA099AAcjiQSoNJgQ.jpeg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="78.75"><br></p><span><br><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">时间轴：</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">00:00 三个播客人在东莞松山湖，仿佛在欧洲参加华为HDC开发者大会</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">06:00 逛展感受：AI、智驾分论坛火爆，B区市集与嘉年华氛围</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">12:00 啼笑皆非的觅食记：港式茶餐厅黯然销魂饭与探秘欧洲小镇由来</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">18:00 过"先贤之桥"猜雕像，感受年轻开发者的商业化能量</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">24:00 破除小圈子自嗨：6600万用户里其实没几个人真懂播客</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">30:00 华为做播客图什么？用"好黏性"内容增加粘性，官媒也越发认可</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">36:00 "让播客去播客"：把峰会嘉宾二次复用，现场录成视频播客</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">42:00 商业化双向奔赴，战术建议：把播客压成文字快讯做漏斗导流</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">48:00 播客往哪去？回顾出圈历史与靠明星破圈的预言</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">54:00 历史车轮与金花"不下车"，破除"我执"拥抱视频播客</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">60:00 "形势比人大"：客户要求露脸不加钱，十年教育用户一夜白干</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">66:00 《热点咖喱共》今晚独立上线，老播客的求新求变与押注</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">72:00 小宇宙的"忒修斯之船"：用户群更替与老节目打开率下滑</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">78:00 切片打通短视频与长音频，技术不中立与平台优先推视频</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">84:00 操心落到狂喜special day，让活动丝滑助推播客破圈</p><span><br><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><img data-key="6" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/a3f5-audiofreehighqps/58/BE/GKwRIJEOA0-IAAibegSoNJmp.jpeg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/a3f5-audiofreehighqps/58/BE/GKwRIJEOA0-IAAibegSoNJmp.jpeg?op_type=0" 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June 6, 2026
摘下社交面具，登上「狂喜方舟」：第五届狂喜播客节复盘与都市人的社会化恢复-347
<p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">*本期录制于2026年5月4日，上海</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">**本期完整版186分钟，烦请移步「关雅荻·刹极9秒」专辑订阅收听，感谢支持</p><span><br></span><span><br></span><img data-key="0" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/e133-audiofreehighqps/AC/F3/GAqh6-4N-tIgAE8UUQSkZADk.JPG!op_type=4&upload_type=attachment&device_type=ios&name=mobile_large" data-origin="http://fdfs.xmcdn.com/storages/e133-audiofreehighqps/AC/F3/GAqh6-4N-tIgAE8UUQSkZADk.JPG" data-preview-width="140" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/e133-audiofreehighqps/AC/F3/GAqh6-4N-tIgAE8UUQSkZADk.JPG!op_type=4&upload_type=attachment&device_type=ios&name=mobile_large" data-large-height="421" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/e133-audiofreehighqps/AC/F3/GAqh6-4N-tIgAE8UUQSkZADk.JPG!op_type=4&upload_type=attachment&device_type=ios&name=mobile_small" data-large-width="750" data-preview-height="78"><span><br></span><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">开放对话的人：</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">袁雁悦，教育工作者 / 《无龄星球》主理人 / 终身学习倡导者</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">罗小茗，上海大学文化研究系系主任</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">孙哲，社会学人 / 社会学学者 / 社会工作（MSW）行动者</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">关雅荻，开放对话 / 「狂喜播客节」创始人</p><span><br></span><span><br></span><img data-key="1" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/cf19-audiofreehighqps/91/DC/GAqh9TMN-tIiAAgsGwSkZAGW.jpeg!op_type=4&upload_type=attachment&device_type=ios&name=mobile_large" data-origin="http://fdfs.xmcdn.com/storages/cf19-audiofreehighqps/91/DC/GAqh9TMN-tIiAAgsGwSkZAGW.jpeg" data-preview-width="140" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/cf19-audiofreehighqps/91/DC/GAqh9TMN-tIiAAgsGwSkZAGW.jpeg!op_type=4&upload_type=attachment&device_type=ios&name=mobile_large" data-large-height="421" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/cf19-audiofreehighqps/91/DC/GAqh9TMN-tIiAAgsGwSkZAGW.jpeg!op_type=4&upload_type=attachment&device_type=ios&name=mobile_small" data-large-width="750" data-preview-height="78"><span><br></span><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">本期主要内容：</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">本期播客录制于2026年5月4日青年节，是第五届“狂喜播客节”圆满落幕后的深度复盘节目。发起人关雅荻携手复旦大学孙哲、同济大学袁雁悦、上海大学罗小茗三位学者嘉宾，以及多位深度参与的志愿者和听众，共同探讨了这场跳脱出传统商业逻辑的线下聚会，如何演变成了一场极具先锋意味的“社会创新实验”。</p><span><br></span><span><br></span><img data-key="2" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/b0e4-audiofreehighqps/2D/4C/GKwRIDoN-tIiAAT-8gSkZAHp.jpeg!op_type=4&upload_type=attachment&device_type=ios&name=mobile_large" data-origin="http://fdfs.xmcdn.com/storages/b0e4-audiofreehighqps/2D/4C/GKwRIDoN-tIiAAT-8gSkZAHp.jpeg" data-preview-width="140" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/b0e4-audiofreehighqps/2D/4C/GKwRIDoN-tIiAAT-8gSkZAHp.jpeg!op_type=4&upload_type=attachment&device_type=ios&name=mobile_large" data-large-height="421" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/b0e4-audiofreehighqps/2D/4C/GKwRIDoN-tIiAAT-8gSkZAHp.jpeg!op_type=4&upload_type=attachment&device_type=ios&name=mobile_small" data-large-width="750" data-preview-height="78"><span><br></span><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">一、 撕下社会标签，构建平等的“未被劫持”的社交场域</strong></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">节目的核心共识之一，是狂喜播客节成功打破了现代职场与学术体制中令人窒息的阶层感与标签化。袁雁悦与罗小茗对比了传统学术会议，指出在外界，人们的精神负担往往来自于严格的头衔、资历与权力关系。但在狂喜播客节，参与者无需冗长的抬头，甚至主打一个“没领导”的自由氛围。无论你是头部主播、大学教授，还是普通听众、志愿者，一旦进入这个空间，所有的社会面具都被卸下，交流回归到纯粹的作品与个体魅力本身。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">孙哲将这种体验提炼为“社会化恢复”<strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">（Social Recovery）与</strong>“未被劫持的社交”。在高度被算法、平台和职场KPI规训的现代都市里，播客节提供了一个安全的“镜像场”和“乌托邦”。志愿者表示，在这里可以与陌生人展开长达四五个小时不看手机的深度长对话，建立起超越现实弱关系的高质量连接，这在日常生活中是极其稀缺的。</p><span><br></span><span><br></span><img data-key="3" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/e3f9-audiofreehighqps/DB/B8/GKwRIJEN-tIjAAX5XQSkZAIk.jpeg!op_type=4&upload_type=attachment&device_type=ios&name=mobile_large" data-origin="http://fdfs.xmcdn.com/storages/e3f9-audiofreehighqps/DB/B8/GKwRIJEN-tIjAAX5XQSkZAIk.jpeg" data-preview-width="140" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/e3f9-audiofreehighqps/DB/B8/GKwRIJEN-tIjAAX5XQSkZAIk.jpeg!op_type=4&upload_type=attachment&device_type=ios&name=mobile_large" data-large-height="421" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/e3f9-audiofreehighqps/DB/B8/GKwRIJEN-tIjAAX5XQSkZAIk.jpeg!op_type=4&upload_type=attachment&device_type=ios&name=mobile_small" data-large-width="750" data-preview-height="78"><span><br></span><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">二、 十六字基石与拒绝千万赞助的“商业悖论”</strong></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">关雅荻在节目中极其透彻地剖析了播客节的底层设计逻辑，即坚持**“去中心化、自组织性、超量供应、开源分享”**这十六字箴言。面对为何不引入千万级别商业赞助的灵魂拷问，关雅荻犀利指出，一旦引入巨额商业利益，随之而来的分配问题必将激发人性的贪婪与攀比，从而彻底摧毁这个平等的乌托邦，使活动沦为一场充满怨恨的灾难。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">为了守住这份纯粹，关雅荻采取了一种极具个人色彩的**“行政上绝对集中、管理上高度分散”**的组织架构。他坦言自己在顶层设计上是一个打引号的“暴君”，拒绝妥协式的大众民主，因为真正的颠覆性创新必须依赖创作者极度清晰且笃定的直觉。这种拒绝被资本和垂直流量裹挟的“作者性”坚持，让播客节超越了普通商业展会，成为了一件带有社会雕塑性质的“艺术作品”。</p><span><br></span><span><br></span><img data-key="4" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/fa4e-audiofreehighqps/85/C9/GKwRIJIN-tIjAAYuMASkZAJi.jpeg!op_type=4&upload_type=attachment&device_type=ios&name=mobile_large" data-origin="http://fdfs.xmcdn.com/storages/fa4e-audiofreehighqps/85/C9/GKwRIJIN-tIjAAYuMASkZAJi.jpeg" data-preview-width="140" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/fa4e-audiofreehighqps/85/C9/GKwRIJIN-tIjAAYuMASkZAJi.jpeg!op_type=4&upload_type=attachment&device_type=ios&name=mobile_large" data-large-height="421" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/fa4e-audiofreehighqps/85/C9/GKwRIJIN-tIjAAYuMASkZAJi.jpeg!op_type=4&upload_type=attachment&device_type=ios&name=mobile_small" data-large-width="750" data-preview-height="78"><span><br></span><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">三、 志愿者的“主观能动性”与小径分岔的花园</strong></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">播客节极度依赖志愿者的自组织能力。关雅荻没有提供僵化的SOP（标准作业程序）或保姆式的接待服务，而是放权让120多位志愿者自己摸索出高效的检票与场控流水线，甚至在咖啡摊自发形成了主播与听友互动的新天地。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">这种高度的自由度不仅让志愿者获得了巨大的成就感，也让每一位观众的体验变得充满随机性。正如志愿者所描述的，狂喜播客节就像一座“小径分岔的花园”，超量供应的100多场对话如同盲盒，无论踏入哪条路，都能在串场漫游中收获意想不到的认知碰撞。</p><span><br></span><span><br></span><img data-key="5" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/a2e3-audiofreehighqps/9A/B1/GKwRIMAN-tIkAAZanwSkZAKe.jpeg!op_type=4&upload_type=attachment&device_type=ios&name=mobile_large" data-origin="http://fdfs.xmcdn.com/storages/a2e3-audiofreehighqps/9A/B1/GKwRIMAN-tIkAAZanwSkZAKe.jpeg" data-preview-width="140" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/a2e3-audiofreehighqps/9A/B1/GKwRIMAN-tIkAAZanwSkZAKe.jpeg!op_type=4&upload_type=attachment&device_type=ios&name=mobile_large" data-large-height="421" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/a2e3-audiofreehighqps/9A/B1/GKwRIMAN-tIkAAZanwSkZAKe.jpeg!op_type=4&upload_type=attachment&device_type=ios&name=mobile_small" data-large-width="750" data-preview-height="78"><span><br></span><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">四、 从极限运动到底层精神：登上“狂喜方舟”</strong></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">节目后半段，讨论升华至对都市人精神状态的关注。关雅荻坦言，自己举办这种“吃力不讨好”甚至面临财务风险的活动，底色来源于他多年参与极限运动的经验——<strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">越是大众认为“不可能”的事情，越能激发他去突破现实边界的渴望</strong>。他认为人生的终极意义在于保护好奇心、维持主观能动性以及不断拓展审美。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">基于这种乘风破浪的黄金时代精神，孙哲在现场灵光乍现，将这个去中心化、充满求知欲的社群命名为**“狂喜方舟”**（Ecstasy Ark）。在这艘船上，关雅荻是提供基本规则的船长，而每个人都是自带干粮、各司其职的水手，大家共同驶向未知的思想彼岸。</p><span><br></span><span><br></span><img data-key="6" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/bdf0-audiofreehighqps/41/14/GKwRIRwN-tIkAAZNJASkZALQ.jpeg!op_type=4&upload_type=attachment&device_type=ios&name=mobile_large" data-origin="http://fdfs.xmcdn.com/storages/bdf0-audiofreehighqps/41/14/GKwRIRwN-tIkAAZNJASkZALQ.jpeg" data-preview-width="140" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/bdf0-audiofreehighqps/41/14/GKwRIRwN-tIkAAZNJASkZALQ.jpeg!op_type=4&upload_type=attachment&device_type=ios&name=mobile_large" data-large-height="421" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/bdf0-audiofreehighqps/41/14/GKwRIRwN-tIkAAZNJASkZALQ.jpeg!op_type=4&upload_type=attachment&device_type=ios&name=mobile_small" data-large-width="750" data-preview-height="78"><span><br></span><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">在复盘的最后，关雅荻也首度披露了未来的宏大蓝图：一方面，他设想未来能在上海徐汇区的10家影院，同时组织1000位主播完成上千场开放对话，实现真正的城市级“千节点并联”；另一方面，他受到播客节自组织精神的启发，重磅官宣即将跨界创办首个“AI电影市场”，将这种打破常规、赋能创作者的“狂喜模式”复制到AI影视创作领域。整场复盘在青年节的语境下，向所有不甘于“躺平”与规训的行动者发出了保持生命力、重返青春极佳状态的有力号召。</p><span><br></span><span><br></span><img data-key="7" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/f6f7-audiofreehighqps/DF/DA/GKwRIUEN-tIlAAa36QSkZAMB.jpeg!op_type=4&upload_type=attachment&device_type=ios&name=mobile_large" data-origin="http://fdfs.xmcdn.com/storages/f6f7-audiofreehighqps/DF/DA/GKwRIUEN-tIlAAa36QSkZAMB.jpeg" data-preview-width="140" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/f6f7-audiofreehighqps/DF/DA/GKwRIUEN-tIlAAa36QSkZAMB.jpeg!op_type=4&upload_type=attachment&device_type=ios&name=mobile_large" data-large-height="421" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/f6f7-audiofreehighqps/DF/DA/GKwRIUEN-tIlAAa36QSkZAMB.jpeg!op_type=4&upload_type=attachment&device_type=ios&name=mobile_small" data-large-width="750" data-preview-height="78"><span><br></span><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">时间轴：</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;">00:00</a> 关雅荻开场：第五届圆满落幕，第六届将以“归零”心态作为全新的开始。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;">03:03</a> 袁雁悦对比学术会议：狂喜打破了头衔与阶层感，实现真正的去标签化交流。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;">10:12</a> 孙哲定义狂喜本质：它不是赚钱的商业闭环，而是极具作者性的“社会创新”。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;">17:29</a> 闭幕式的灵魂环节：坚持在台上念出每一位志愿者的名字，给予个体极大的尊重。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;">26:13</a> 空间公共性的建立：大课表前的人群聚集与跨代际参与，构建了真实的城市公共茶馆。</p><span><br></span><span><br></span><img data-key="8" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/f71e-audiofreehighqps/9B/B1/GKwRIW4N-tIlAAg4hASkZAM3.jpeg!op_type=4&upload_type=attachment&device_type=ios&name=mobile_large" data-origin="http://fdfs.xmcdn.com/storages/f71e-audiofreehighqps/9B/B1/GKwRIW4N-tIlAAg4hASkZAM3.jpeg" data-preview-width="140" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/f71e-audiofreehighqps/9B/B1/GKwRIW4N-tIlAAg4hASkZAM3.jpeg!op_type=4&upload_type=attachment&device_type=ios&name=mobile_large" data-large-height="421" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/f71e-audiofreehighqps/9B/B1/GKwRIW4N-tIlAAg4hASkZAM3.jpeg!op_type=4&upload_type=attachment&device_type=ios&name=mobile_small" data-large-width="750" data-preview-height="78"><span><br></span><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;">35:03</a> 关雅荻重申十六字基石：去中心化、自组织性、超量供应、开源分享。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;">44:16</a> 拒绝千万商业赞助的逻辑：防范利益分配带来的人性贪婪彻底摧毁平等的乌托邦。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;">47:04</a> 顶层设计的“暴君”哲学：坚持行政上的绝对集中与管理上的高度分散。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;">54:06</a> 拒绝“戒断”拥抱“涟漪”：播客节的真正价值在于活动结束后引发的持续行动力。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;">01:00:49</a> 模糊工作与休闲的边界：让人从日常规训中抽离，释放个体魅力完成自我实现。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;">01:07:43</a> 志愿者心路分享：在这里安全地摘下社交面具，收获微小而珍贵的成就感。</p><span><br></span><span><br></span><img data-key="9" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/7208-audiofreehighqps/64/D7/GKwRIaIN-tImAAa9JgSkZAN_.jpeg!op_type=4&upload_type=attachment&device_type=ios&name=mobile_large" data-origin="http://fdfs.xmcdn.com/storages/7208-audiofreehighqps/64/D7/GKwRIaIN-tImAAa9JgSkZAN_.jpeg" data-preview-width="140" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/7208-audiofreehighqps/64/D7/GKwRIaIN-tImAAa9JgSkZAN_.jpeg!op_type=4&upload_type=attachment&device_type=ios&name=mobile_large" data-large-height="421" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/7208-audiofreehighqps/64/D7/GKwRIaIN-tImAAa9JgSkZAN_.jpeg!op_type=4&upload_type=attachment&device_type=ios&name=mobile_small" data-large-width="750" data-preview-height="78"><span><br></span><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;">01:17:44</a> 小径分岔的花园：超量供应如同盲盒，能在漫游中与陌生人建立数小时的长对话。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;">01:23:40</a> 关雅荻勾勒终极蓝图：设想未来在徐汇区10家影院，实现千位主播并联的城市大实验。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;">01:34:15</a> 孙哲解析中年人社交危机：提供一个容纳“共同担忧”、摆脱无效应酬的安全港湾。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;">01:44:05</a> 漫游机制与“未被劫持的社交”：不用受制于预期，在随机游走中建立真实的弱连接。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;">01:54:08</a> 打破算法信息茧房：通过线下真实的鲜活互动，反向在线上发掘并关注更多冷门播客。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;">02:13:29</a> 观众反思职场黑话与规训：这是一场另类的“假面舞会”，允许人们彻底卸下伪装。</p><span><br></span><span><br></span><img data-key="10" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/cbce-audiofreehighqps/B9/7D/GAqhJLsN-tImAAegUQSkZAPA.jpeg!op_type=4&upload_type=attachment&device_type=ios&name=mobile_large" data-origin="http://fdfs.xmcdn.com/storages/cbce-audiofreehighqps/B9/7D/GAqhJLsN-tImAAegUQSkZAPA.jpeg" data-preview-width="140" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/cbce-audiofreehighqps/B9/7D/GAqhJLsN-tImAAegUQSkZAPA.jpeg!op_type=4&upload_type=attachment&device_type=ios&name=mobile_large" data-large-height="421" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/cbce-audiofreehighqps/B9/7D/GAqhJLsN-tImAAegUQSkZAPA.jpeg!op_type=4&upload_type=attachment&device_type=ios&name=mobile_small" data-large-width="750" data-preview-height="78"><span><br></span><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;">02:22:17</a><span> 极限运动的精神底色：越被认为不可能的事越要去实践，用主观创造力重塑现实边界。</span><br></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;">0</a><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;">2:41:58</a> 纯粹的筛选机制：放弃传统营销的广撒网，通过特定门槛保护社群的高质量与纯粹体验。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;">03:03:15</a> 孙哲结尾点题升华：借五四青年节找回最佳状态，登上“狂喜方舟”完成“社会化恢复”。</p><span><br></span><span><br></span><img data-key="11" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/6012-audiofreehighqps/13/B9/GAqhQKIN-tInAAOOMgSkZAQP.jpeg!op_type=4&upload_type=attachment&device_type=ios&name=mobile_large" 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圆桌对话：如何让城市文化成为创作的心动密码 - 2026上海网络视听创作者大会 - 346
<p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">*本期录制于2026年5月28日，上海</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><img data-key="0" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/3d93-audiofreehighqps/BD/E6/GAqhT9EN9viWABCyNwSi7v8f.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/3d93-audiofreehighqps/BD/E6/GAqhT9EN9viWABCyNwSi7v8f.jpg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/3d93-audiofreehighqps/BD/E6/GAqhT9EN9viWABCyNwSi7v8f.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="499.92187499999994" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/3d93-audiofreehighqps/BD/E6/GAqhT9EN9viWABCyNwSi7v8f.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="93.31875"><br></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">开放对话的人：</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">关雅荻，资深电影人，「狂喜播客节」创始人</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">邓建国，复旦大学新闻学院教授，中国新闻史学会新媒体传播专业委员会副会长</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">黄浦江三文鱼，AI先锋创作者，B站知名UP主</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">瑞克Zero，历史科普创作者，B站百大UP主</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">星悦，歪果仁研究协会副会长，小红书博主</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">王搏，独立唱作人，小红书博主</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">章瀚，SMG东方娱乐大型活动部总监</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><img data-key="1" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/bff8-audiofreehighqps/07/50/GAqhT9EN9vigAAhjHQSi7wDl.jpeg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/bff8-audiofreehighqps/07/50/GAqhT9EN9vigAAhjHQSi7wDl.jpeg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/bff8-audiofreehighqps/07/50/GAqhT9EN9vigAAhjHQSi7wDl.jpeg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="421.875" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/bff8-audiofreehighqps/07/50/GAqhT9EN9vigAAhjHQSi7wDl.jpeg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="78.75"><br></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">本期主要内容：</p><span><br></span><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">本期内容为2026上海网络视听创作者大会的压轴圆桌对话，六位来自不同领域的嘉宾齐聚一堂，深度探讨了如何将“城市文化”化为创作的心动密码，以及在汹涌的AI浪潮下，创作者应如何坚守自我。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><img data-key="2" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/7afb-audiofreehighqps/F2/D6/GAqhT9EN9vi4AAY5aASi7wYn.jpeg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/7afb-audiofreehighqps/F2/D6/GAqhT9EN9vi4AAY5aASi7wYn.jpeg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/7afb-audiofreehighqps/F2/D6/GAqhT9EN9vi4AAY5aASi7wYn.jpeg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="421.875" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/7afb-audiofreehighqps/F2/D6/GAqhT9EN9vi4AAY5aASi7wYn.jpeg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="78.75"><br></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">一、 城市文化：海纳百川的创作土壤</strong> </p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">嘉宾们一致认为，上海独特的城市气质是取之不尽的创作源泉。邓建国教授指出，上海“海纳百川”的多样性与包容度，使其成为各类人才与创意的温床。瑞克Zero从近代史的视角出发，通过杨树浦水厂、四行仓库等标志性建筑，展现了上海深厚的历史底蕴与跌宕起伏的时代变迁。独立音乐人王搏则在上海找到了先锋现代化与传统人文关怀的完美结合，连续三年在这片“旺地”诞生了爆款音乐作品。跨文化博主星悦提出，面对城市文化，创作者无需刻意去“宣传”，而是应该慢下来，用真情实感去发现并记录这座城市中自然、真实的美好瞬间。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><img data-key="3" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/9f5e-audiofreehighqps/9E/6B/GAqhT9EN9vjOAAaTqQSi7wps.jpeg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/9f5e-audiofreehighqps/9E/6B/GAqhT9EN9vjOAAaTqQSi7wps.jpeg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/9f5e-audiofreehighqps/9E/6B/GAqhT9EN9vjOAAaTqQSi7wps.jpeg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="421.875" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/9f5e-audiofreehighqps/9E/6B/GAqhT9EN9vjOAAaTqQSi7wps.jpeg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="78.75"><br></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">二、 AI赋能与“活人感”的博弈</strong> </p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">面对奔涌而来的AI技术，不同赛道的创作者展现了多元的使用心得与反思。黄浦江三文鱼分享了极具冲击力的案例：他利用AI技术，仅用5000元算力成本便在业余时间完成了一部一小时的厨房综艺，极大降低了创作门槛，释放了天马行空的创意。然而，瑞克Zero尖锐地指出，现阶段的AI往往倾向于给出“四平八稳”的稳妥答案，缺乏创作者应有的“偏见”与主观情感投射，而这种主观性恰恰是观众最渴望看到的“活人感”。</p><span><br></span><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">作为主流媒体代表，章瀚总监每年要操盘数十场大型晚会，她将AI视为优化工作流的得力助手，但坚信AI“抢不走我们的脑子和灵魂”。邓建国教授更是发出警示：当未来充斥着AI生成的内容时，观众一旦察觉自己被算法算计，就会关闭屏幕收回注意力。因此，“真情实感”和“人的尺度”永远是创作者对抗技术异化的底牌。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><img data-key="4" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/71a3-audiofreehighqps/E8/D5/GKwRIaIN9vjlAAfVGwSi7w7a.jpeg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/71a3-audiofreehighqps/E8/D5/GKwRIaIN9vjlAAfVGwSi7w7a.jpeg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/71a3-audiofreehighqps/E8/D5/GKwRIaIN9vjlAAfVGwSi7w7a.jpeg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="421.875" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/71a3-audiofreehighqps/E8/D5/GKwRIaIN9vjlAAfVGwSi7w7a.jpeg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="78.75"><br></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">三、 拥抱技术，回归真诚</strong> </p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">在活动尾声，嘉宾们分享了未来的创作规划。黄浦江三文鱼透露正在策划正版授权的《三毛流浪记》AI大电影，希望能用新技术给三毛一个在上海的美好生活。主持人关雅荻也重磅官宣，将在即将到来的上海国际电影节期间，牵头创办首个“AI电影市场”，汇聚全球AI内容创作者与产业资本，推动内容交易模式的创新。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><img data-key="5" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/9378-audiofreehighqps/4F/B0/GKwRIW4N9vkDAAcOHASi7xTc.jpeg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/9378-audiofreehighqps/4F/B0/GKwRIW4N9vkDAAcOHASi7xTc.jpeg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/9378-audiofreehighqps/4F/B0/GKwRIW4N9vkDAAcOHASi7xTc.jpeg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="421.875" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/9378-audiofreehighqps/4F/B0/GKwRIW4N9vkDAAcOHASi7xTc.jpeg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="78.75"><br></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">整场圆桌对话在激烈的思想碰撞中达成共识：无论AI等工具如何更迭，想要讲好城市故事、跨越文化圈层，最终依靠的依然是对脚下土地的深情凝视，以及创作者内心滚烫的真诚。</p><br><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><img data-key="6" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/d81b-audiofreehighqps/21/4A/GKwRIRwN9vkYAAZTuASi7xpL.jpeg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/d81b-audiofreehighqps/21/4A/GKwRIRwN9vkYAAZTuASi7xpL.jpeg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/d81b-audiofreehighqps/21/4A/GKwRIRwN9vkYAAZTuASi7xpL.jpeg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="421.875" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/d81b-audiofreehighqps/21/4A/GKwRIRwN9vkYAAZTuASi7xpL.jpeg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="78.75"><br></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">时间轴：</p><span><br></span><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">00:00 主持人开场，介绍本场圆桌聚焦“城市文化”议题及各领域的跨界嘉宾阵容。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"> 01:50 关雅荻引入话题，探讨如何将上海本土文化转化为跨越文化圈层的创作密码。 </p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">04:01 邓建国教授解析上海的海纳百川，呼吁创作者用具体入微的温情折射城市特点。 </p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">09:15 “黄浦江三文鱼”分享低成本AI厨房综艺实战，强调天马行空的AI更需脚踏实地的真诚。 </p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">14:19 瑞克Zero从杨树浦水厂等历史建筑切入，探讨如何用跌宕的近代史建立城市情感链接。 </p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">18:51 跨文化博主星悦建议放下“刻意宣传”，放慢脚步去重新发现并记录上海真实的本地之美。 </p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><img data-key="7" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/8601-audiofreehighqps/7D/EB/GAqhVLMN9vkpAAXCUASi7x85.jpeg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/8601-audiofreehighqps/7D/EB/GAqhVLMN9vkpAAXCUASi7x85.jpeg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/8601-audiofreehighqps/7D/EB/GAqhVLMN9vkpAAXCUASi7x85.jpeg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="421.875" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/8601-audiofreehighqps/7D/EB/GAqhVLMN9vkpAAXCUASi7x85.jpeg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="78.75"><br></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">23:14 音乐人王搏讲述上海包容与先锋的城市氛围，如何助力其连续三年诞生爆款歌曲。 </p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">27:19 章瀚总监分享主流媒体如何用AI优化大型晚会工作流，坚信AI无法替代人类的灵魂与创意。 </p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">33:55 关雅荻重磅官宣“AI电影市场”创办计划，嘉宾畅想让“三毛”在上海过上好日子的AI创作愿景。 </p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">50:04 圆桌总结：呼吁在拥抱AI浪潮的同时警惕技术反噬，坚守“真情实感”与“活人感”才是创作者的终极底牌。</p><span><br></span><p 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