「naive理想国」是由出版品牌「理想国imaginist」出品的泛文化播客。 生活是条喧腾的河流，我们触碰思想之暗涌。欢迎与我们一起，想象另一种可能。 公众号/小红书/豆瓣/微博/视频号/b站/抖音：理想国imaginist 加入听友群请添加小助手微信：imaginist2025
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「naive理想国」是由出版品牌「理想国imaginist」出品的泛文化播客。 生活是条喧腾的河流，我们触碰思想之暗涌。欢迎与我们一起，想象另一种可能。 公众号/小红书/豆瓣/微博/视频号/b站/抖音：理想国imaginist 加入听友群请添加小助手微信：imaginist2025
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June 9, 2026
番外｜高圆圆：荒诞又日常，是东北的独特魅力
<h5>今天这期节目是一个小小的番外，我们邀请到了演员高圆圆作客我们的播客。</h5> <h5>最近，高圆圆主演的电影《森中有林》正在热映，她在片中饰演了一名具有道德模糊性的东北女性王秀义，这个角色也是她演员生涯戏路上的一次重要拓展，最终，她拿出的表演也令人感到十分惊艳。所以，这期节目，我们着重和她聊了聊《森中有林》台前幕后的故事，她对王秀义这个角色的理解，以及她眼中的东北社会和东北文化。</h5> <h5> </h5> <h5>📣主播：</h5> <h5>琦墨墨、小王</h5> <h5> </h5> <h5>🎙嘉宾：</h5> <h5>高圆圆，演员</h5> <h5> </h5> <h5>🎧收听提示：</h5> <h5><span class="timestamp" data-time="00:48">00:48</span> 我一口气就看完了《森中有林》这个故事</h5> <h5><span class="timestamp" data-time="04:43">04:43</span> 为扮演东北女性做的准备</h5> <h5><span class="timestamp" data-time="08:39">08:39</span> 如何演好王秀义这个浓烈、具有道德模糊性的女性</h5> <h5><span class="timestamp" data-time="16:37">16:37</span> 这部戏里的人物，就是真实的东北人</h5> <h5><span class="timestamp" data-time="24:00">24:00</span> 包饺子那段戏，荒诞又日常，我很喜欢</h5> <h5><span class="timestamp" data-time="28:18">28:18</span> 东北人有一种苦中作乐的哲学</h5> <h5> </h5> <h5>📖本期理想国图书：</h5> <h5><img style="float: left;" src="https://cdn5.vistopia.com.cn/bfc96953-e664-4f73-8115-f78a734ff788.jpg" alt="" width="749" height="1176" /></h5> <h5>《仙症》，郑执</h5> <h5>购买指引：关注“理想国imaginist”公众号，进入微信小店即可购买。</h5> <h5> </h5> <h5>👥加入听友群请扫码：</h5> <h5><img style="float: left;" src="https://cdn5.vistopia.com.cn/43f231a8-db64-46a9-b85b-833ec11d8aa2.jpg" alt="" width="459" height="783" /></h5> <h5> </h5> <h5>✉️商务洽谈请联系：wxh@imaginist.com.cn</h5> <h5> </h5>
May 29, 2026
025 对话郑执｜创作者要敢于"发癫"
<h5>5月23日，由郑执导演、编剧的电影《森中有林》上映了。影片改编自郑执的同名小说，以东北为背景，讲述了两个家庭、三代人之间横跨四十年的恩怨情仇与宿命纠缠。</h5> <h5>我们带着对影片结尾的困惑，与郑执聊了一场天，请他谈谈首次执导的感受、片场发生的故事，以及电影最具争议的，最后半小时“包饺子”的那场戏。</h5> <h5>聊天过程中，我们清晰地感受到郑执身为创作者的“叛逆”和“折腾精神”，顺着这股劲儿，也理解了他为什么会那么处理影片的结尾。在创作氛围日趋保守沉闷的当下，这是十分可贵的一次大胆尝试。</h5> <h5>欢迎大家前往电影院观看，这部只有郑执才能拍出来的电影。</h5> <h5> </h5> <h5>📣主播：</h5> <h5>小王、夭夭</h5> <h5> </h5> <h5>🎙嘉宾：</h5> <h5>郑执，导演、作家</h5> <h5> </h5> <h5>🎧收听提示：</h5> <h5><span class="timestamp" data-time="00:35">00:35</span> 首次执导的感受</h5> <h5><span class="timestamp" data-time="05:39">05:39</span> “包饺子”是为了表达命运的抽象</h5> <h5><span class="timestamp" data-time="11:18">11:18</span> “宁可犯错，不能无聊”</h5> <h5><span class="timestamp" data-time="17:57">17:57</span> 《森中有林》小说与电影的关联</h5> <h5><span class="timestamp" data-time="21:34">21:34</span> 《森中有林》如何还原记忆中的东北</h5> <h5><span class="timestamp" data-time="35:46">35:46</span> 这个时代，创作者不能继续保守下去了</h5> <h5><span class="timestamp" data-time="39:31">39:31</span> “就是要干点癫的”</h5> <h5><span class="timestamp" data-time="41:02">41:02</span> “包饺子”那场戏的拍摄细节</h5> <h5><span class="timestamp" data-time="43:44">43:44</span> AI时代，人应该要活得更像人</h5> <h5><span class="timestamp" data-time="50:01">50:01</span> 郑执的一天是怎么过的</h5> <h5> </h5> <h5>📖本期理想国图书：</h5> <h5><img style="float: left;" src="https://cdn5.vistopia.com.cn/c1d43620-bcbb-40b9-ae61-dbd832dcc3d7.jpg" alt="" width="525" height="824" /></h5> <h5>《仙症》，郑执</h5> <h5>购买指引：关注“理想国imaginist”公众号，进入微信小店即可购买。</h5> <h5> </h5> <h5>👥加入听友群请扫码：</h5> <h5><img style="float: left;" src="https://cdn5.vistopia.com.cn/c0e5e5de-f8d1-4c86-ab4d-47792bb902bb.jpg" alt="" width="487" height="830" /></h5> <h5> </h5> <h5>✉️商务洽谈请联系：wxh@imaginist.com.cn</h5> <h5> </h5>
May 7, 2026
024 "奥德赛时期"：在海与岸之间的一场青春漂流
<h5>今天这期节目，我们想聊一聊最近网上很火的“奥德赛时期”。第一次知道这个概念是在一个多月前，我们在小红书上偶然刷到。本来以为它只会火一阵子，没想到此后热度不仅没减，反而影响力越来越大，甚至有可能成为2026年的年度关键词之一。</h5> <h5>所谓“奥德赛时期”，指的是人在20至30岁之间经历的一段充满不确定性的过渡阶段：一方面，人生仍拥有巨大的可能性与延展空间；另一方面，情感、事业与自我认同却常常处于摇摆与重建之中，焦虑与迷茫的情绪也因此尤为浓烈。</h5> <h5>在如今这个不算昂扬的大环境下，这个概念替大家说出了一种长期弥漫在心头、却又难以言说的感受，让处于20到30岁之间的年轻人的迷茫、焦虑和不安，有了一个可以容纳它们的名字。同时，我们也感觉到，这个概念不完全是消极的，它也蕴含了自由、好奇和可能性等积极的一面，值得我们进行更充分的讨论。这期节目，我们便从自身的经历出发，聊聊彼此对“奥德赛时期”的理解和体悟。</h5> <h5> </h5> <h5>🎙️主播：</h5> <h5>小王、夭夭</h5> <h5> </h5> <h5>👥加入听友群请扫码：</h5> <h5><img style="float: left;" src="https://cdn5.vistopia.com.cn/fdb6841c-fac5-458a-8884-c0ad00eaccd5.jpg" alt="" width="381" height="650" /></h5> <h5> </h5> <h5>✉️商务洽谈请联系：wxh@imaginist.com.cn</h5>
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