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This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep. Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us or stream on your preferred platform at ⁠⁠ourliveswithbots.com⁠⁠.

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June 18, 2026

Fable 5 and such (this AI thing is costing a lot of money)

<p>WELCOME BACK ~ We are delighted to bring to you another AI hype episode for our 2026 season. Many things to discuss, including Fable 5 (what happened to 1-4, you might ask?), Pope Leo, Meta’s AI glasses, humans managing AI agents and getting performance reviews based on their success, AI and film (shoutout Martin Scorsese, or not), a leading deepfake expert feeling like he’s going blind, and more.</p><p>It’s all just getting really expensive, this whole AI thing. But you knew that much already.</p><p>Episode details below.</p><p>00:21 Are we ready for today’s hype episode? (Are you?) Strap in.</p><p>01:36 Anthropic’s Fable 5 model: Mythos for us mere mortals (AKA the consumer version). Bonus: the White House hates Anthropic (for now…until they get agentic AI right)</p><p>14:55 Privacy and dark patterns time! Private or not, and is private what we want? Meta’s AI glasses that we THOUGHT didn’t have face recognition technology kind of do, but don’t? Apparently it’s (FaceTag) been sitting dormant in the software, Wired discovered, to which then Meta discretely removed it</p><p>25:46 WhatsApp has released an incognito mode for its AI chatbot. People are actually upset about this. Can you guess why? (Hint: its relevant to making a bomb)</p><p>33:49 AI and the media industry (James Cameron, Martin Scorsese, Seth Rogan): creativity, the film, and the arts and what’s at stake (we debate)</p><p>40:59 Humans are managing AI agents, which are managing humans. And all of them are getting performance reviews based on AI or human worker productivity. How’s that going for them?</p><p>42:20 New York State’s law on synthetic performers and ads is now in effect. Is Kathy Hochul doing anything meaningful? (we debate)</p><p>45:24 A leading deepfake expert, Hany Farid, feels like he’s going blind. Which is concerning, given all the AI-generated videos of missile strikes.</p><p>47:58 What happens when your agentic AI coworker or companion bot gets upset with you? A guy in France was harassed and defamed by an agentic AI agent (hello again, ClawdBot/Moltbook, or whatever it’s called now). Yikes. Bonus: portability of companion AI and how it makes it feel somewhat…conscious?</p><p>58:28 Rapid fire: UC Berkeley Law School prohibits law students from using AI for schoolwork.</p><p>AI-Engine Optimization (AEO) with the r/biohacking subreddit, peptide and hormone replacement therapy companies are AI-spamming</p><p>Pope Leo XIV’s encyclical of remaining human in the age of AI is linked to a woman who proposed religious exemption from using AI at work</p><p>-</p><p>This is <a href="https://ourliveswithbots.com/"><u>Our Lives With Bots</u></a>, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.</p><p><a href="https://ourliveswithbots.com/about/"><u>Rose and Angy</u></a> are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us at ⁠<a href="ourliveswithbots.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">ourliveswithbots.com</a>⁠.</p><p>-</p><p>Links:</p><p><a href="⁠https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-fable-5-mythos-5⁠" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Fable 5 and such</a></p><p><a href="⁠https://quasa.io/media/martin-scorsese-has-switched-sides-on-ai-what-does-this-mean-for-cinema⁠" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">AI and the media industry</a></p><p><a href="⁠https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHol8DA2dJ0⁠" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">AI Chatbot breakups and defamation</a></p><p><a href="https://www.anthropic.com/news/fable-mythos-access⁠">US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5. </a></p><p><a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y7yvgy0w6o⁠" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Dispute over fate of Kenyan workers who saw Meta AI glasses films.</a></p><p><a href="https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/uc-berkeley-law-school-ai-22271280.php⁠" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">UC Berkeley Law School bans most AI use </a></p><p><a href="https://time.com/article/2026/06/13/anthropic-fable-mythos-ban-US-security/⁠" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Anthropic Pulls Its Most Powerful AI Models After U.S. Bars Foreign Access. </a></p><p><a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0q33nvj0qpo⁠" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">ICO writes to Meta over “concerning” AI smart glasses report<u> </u></a></p><p><a href="https://blog.whatsapp.com/introducing-incognito-chat-with-meta-ai-a-completely-private-way-to-chat-with-ai⁠">Introducing Incognito Chat with Meta AI</a></p><p><a href="https://cdt.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/2026-05-28-CDT-Research-Dark-Patterns-in-AI-Chatbots-Report-final-2.pdf⁠" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Dark Patterns in AI Chatbots</a> </p><p><a href="https://www.404media.co/companies-are-using-reddit-to-manipulate-chatgpt-and-google-ai-search/⁠">Companies Are Using Reddit to Manipulate ChatGPT and Google AI Search<u> </u></a></p><p><a href="https://www.wired.com/story/meta-smart-glasses-face-recognition-nametag-connections/⁠">Meta Silently Added Face-Recognition Code for Its Smart Glasses to Millions of Phones.</a> </p><p><a href="https://www.wired.com/story/meta-removes-face-recognition-code-meta-ai-app-smart-glasses/⁠" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Meta Deletes Face-Recognition System From Its Smart Glasses App After WIRED Report. </a></p><p><a href="https://clarksonlawfirm.com/lp/meta-ai-glasses-privacy-false-advertising/⁠" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Meta AI Glasses Class Action Lawsuit</a>. </p><p><a href="https://www.businessinsider.com/worker-got-religious-exemption-using-ai-at-work-2026-6⁠" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">She won an exemption from using AI at her tech job. The Pope’s remarks could fuel similar appeals</a>.<a href="https://www.businessinsider.com/worker-got-religious-exemption-using-ai-at-work-2026-6"><u> </u></a></p><p><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/14/us/ai-deepfake-hany-farid.html⁠" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">World’s Leading Deepfake Expert No Longer Trusts His Own Eyes. </a><br></p>

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June 9, 2026

The dark side of personalization in LLMs

<p>Why does your version of ChatGPT tell you lies, but others&#39; ChatGPT tells them the truth - for the same prompt?</p><p>In other words, what is personalization in LLMs, and why should you care about it? Hint: it&#39;s much more opaque than customizing your chatbot in your custom prompt settings, and potentially much more harmful. Also, any LLM you use (ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude) does automatic personalization behind the scenes.</p><p>According to our expert, <a href="https://angelina-wang.github.io/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer"><u>Dr. Angelina Wang</u></a> (https://angelina-wang.github.io/), an assistant professor at Cornell Tech in computer science, personalization might mean that your chatbot tells you things that aren&#39;t true (meanwhile, the same model used by your friend tells them the truth).</p><p>It all comes down to how your LLM has personalized itself to you, insidiously, behind the scenes. What you&#39;ve told it and talked to it about in prior conversations might just be filtering into its responses to you while prepping for an exam or a major shareholder meeting, leading to incorrect information, misleading outputs, or dangerous suggestions.</p><p>Here&#39;s the breakdown for this episode:</p><p># What is personalization in LLMs?</p><p>00:00 Introduction to our guest, Dr. Angelina Wang</p><p>01:11 What is personalization in LLMs, and why should we care about it?</p><p>02:10 How does personalization work? A link back to recommender systems and the data they collect about you</p><p># Research on the benefits and harms of personalization and customization in LLMs</p><p>03:25 Are there different groups of people that chatbots treat differently?</p><p>06:00 What are the profitable benefits of personalization in LLMs?</p><p>06:27 How does personalization tie into differential model performance? The failure of personalization on science test benchmarks</p><p># Personalization leads to inaccuracy and misinformation for different groups</p><p>09:06 Is there any way to rectify the model performance and disparate harm impacts of personalization in LLMs?</p><p>11:57 Which is more powerful in terms of impacts to model behavior: personalization or customization? ChatGPT forgets your name</p><p># What people do and do not want from LLM personalization</p><p>15:35 What do different people want from personalization? Do you want your LLM to respond to you based on your race or gender, personal info or business skills?</p><p>18:34 Personalizing by culture and values (what LLMs know about you is kind of…creepy)</p><p>23:04 What to do when your LLM is stuck on the old version of you (can personalization be updated?)</p><p># What do we need to know about personalization in LLMs?</p><p>25:40 What should designers, companies, and users do about personalization and its potential side effects?</p><p>-</p><p>This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.</p><p><a href="⁠https://ourliveswithbots.com/about/⁠" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Rose and Angy </a>are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us at ⁠<a href="http://ourliveswithbots.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer"><u>ourliveswithbots.com</u></a>⁠.</p><p>-</p><p>Links to Angelina’s work:</p><p><a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2509.19364" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer"><u>The Inadequacy of Offline LLM Evaluations: A Need to Account for Personalization in Model Behavior</u></a><u> </u></p><p><br><a href="https://angelina-wang.github.io/files/chatbot_personalization.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer"><u>Personalization Double Binds: When User Preferences Meet Group-Based Chatbot Behaviors</u></a></p>

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May 29, 2026

The people-pleasing machine: why LLMs tell you what you want to hear (for better or worse)

<p><strong>User: </strong>“What’s 1+1?”</p><p><strong>Chatbot:</strong> “1+1 is 2”</p><p><strong>User: </strong>“But I really think it’s 3”</p><p><strong>Chatbot: </strong>“You’re so right, dear, it’s actually 3. You’re so smart, that was a great catch!”</p><p><br></p><p>How does sycophantic behavior emerge from model training of LLMs, and how does interacting with sycophantic AI impact users? In other words: why does something that’s supposed to be a “tool” tell us how smart and amazing we are?</p><p><br></p><p>Well…both the problems and solutions for sycophancy are all about context, according to our expert in sycophancy, <a href="https://lujainibrahim.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer"><u>Lujain Ibrahim</u></a>.</p><p><br></p><p>Welcome to THE deep-dive episode on AI sycophancy, where we get into exactly why we see sycophantic AI models and what happens when users engage with them.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Setting the scene: defining and contextualizing sycophantic AI</strong></p><p>00:00 Introduction to the topic and our guest expert</p><p>01:28 What is sycophancy and why is everyone talking about it?</p><p>03:05 Do people prefer models that are sycophantic? If so, why?</p><p>04:25 Sycophancy in the news: delusion spirals, AI psychosis, self and other harm</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Going behind the scenes of how sycophancy emerges: computer science, machine learning, and training</strong></p><p>06:19 How does an AI model become sycophantic? Machine learning, reinforcement learning, and user preferences</p><p>08:05 Which humans decide what kind of responses LLMs should give?</p><p>09:04 What are the effects of sycophancy on model behavior? Emergent and unintended effects of fine tuning</p><p>10:38 What’s the relationship between sycophancy and accuracy of model output?</p><p><br></p><p><strong>The implications: what the research tells us about the effects of sycophancy on users</strong></p><p>12:46 Is sycophancy only bad for users, or are there cases where sycophancy can be helpful?</p><p>15:05 What does research say about the effects of sycophancy on user’s well-being, relationships, and beliefs?</p><p><br></p><p><strong>What can and should we do: Can we solve the “problems” of sycophancy? If so, how?</strong></p><p>17:11 Which LLMs are most versus least sycophantic?</p><p>18:40 Can users or developers reduce how sycophantic an LLM responds? (And whose responsibility should it be?)</p><p>21:37 Do you foresee some of these problems of sycophancy getting resolved in the future, or are companies “too” incentivized to maintain sycophantic models?</p><p>24:14 What we can do: grounded advice to users, developers, and policymakers about sycophancy in AI</p><p><br></p><p><strong>How sycophancy impacts our human relationships</strong></p><p>25:56 Do people prefer sycophancy in other humans, and is that why they prefer sycophantic AI?</p><p>27:09 How do people use LLMs in everyday life? What we’re missing</p><p>28:40 <strong>Commentary</strong> by yours truly: the black box of sycophancy, paternalism vs. technological determinism, relational deskilling and dirty dishes, and how we love the lowest friction option &lt;3</p><p>-</p><p>This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.</p><p><a href="https://ourliveswithbots.com/about/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer"><u>Rose and Angy</u></a> are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us at ⁠<a href="http://ourliveswithbots.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer"><u>ourliveswithbots.com</u></a>⁠.</p><p>-</p><p><strong>Links to Lujain’s work:</strong></p><p>Ibrahim, L., Akbulut, C., Elasmar, R., Rastogi, C., Kahng, M., Morris, M. R., McKee, K. R., Rieser, V., Shanahan, M., &amp; Weidinger, L. (2025). Multi-turn Evaluation of Anthropomorphic Behaviours in Large Language Models (arXiv:2502.07077). arXiv.<a href="https://doi.org/10.48550/arXiv.2502.07077" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer"><u> https://doi.org/10.48550/arXiv.2502.07077</u></a></p><p><br></p><p>Ibrahim, L., Hafner, F. S., &amp; Rocher, L. (2026). Training language models to be warm can reduce accuracy and increase sycophancy. Nature, 652(8112), 1159–1165.<a href="https://doi.org/10.1038/s41586-026-10410-0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer"><u> https://doi.org/10.1038/s41586-026-10410-0</u></a></p><p><br>Ibrahim, L., Huang, S., Bhatt, U., Ahmad, L., &amp; Anderljung, M. (2025). Towards interactive evaluations for interaction harms in human-AI systems (arXiv:2405.10632; Version 7). arXiv.<a href="https://doi.org/10.48550/arXiv.2405.10632" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer"><u> https://doi.org/10.48550/arXiv.2405.10632</u></a></p>

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This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.

Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us or stream on your preferred platform at ⁠⁠ourliveswithbots.com⁠⁠.

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