What if your emotional intensity isn't a problem to solve, but a pathway to growth? Positive Disintegration explores how inner conflict and breaking down can lead to profound transformation. Hosts Chris Wells and Emma Nicholson dive into Kazimierz Dąbrowski's theory of positive disintegration, examining giftedness, neurodivergence, and the journey toward becoming your authentic self. <br/><br/><a href="https://www.positivedisintegration.org/s/pod?utm_medium=podcast">www.positivedisintegration.org</a>
Positive Disintegration Podcast
Claim This Podcastby Emma Nicholson and Chris Wells
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What if your emotional intensity isn't a problem to solve, but a pathway to growth? Positive Disintegration explores how inner conflict and breaking down can lead to profound transformation. Hosts Chris Wells and Emma Nicholson dive into Kazimierz Dąbrowski's theory of positive disintegration, examining giftedness, neurodivergence, and the journey toward becoming your authentic self. <br/><br/><a href="https://www.positivedisintegration.org/s/pod?utm_medium=podcast">www.positivedisintegration.org</a>
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Recent Episodes
June 23, 2026
Positive Maladjustment, Applied
<p>In episode 84, Chris and Emma returned after a break, and this episode marks a change. We dropped into the conversation without a guest, an intro, or any of the usual formalities—just the two of us talking about positive maladjustment in the way we are living it right now.</p><p>We talk about lived experience as the ground from which this theory makes sense, and why understanding it means having gone through something, not just having read about it. The conversation moves through Chris’s recent return to a decade of correspondence, the difference between learning a theory and recognizing yourself in it, and what it means to treat empathy and perspective-taking as skills built across a lifetime rather than fixed traits.</p><p>We are also honest about why the format is changing. We are moving away from guests and toward conversations about our own experiences with the theory—the practices that have served us, the ones that have not, and the ways our understanding has continued to develop. This is a period of reconfiguring and realigning with who we really are. It is going to be messy for a while. We ask listeners to bear with us as we do this work out loud.</p><p><strong>Links from this episode</strong></p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://youtu.be/Ov385GfI7H8">Emma’s DC2022 session</a> (YouTube)</p><p><a target="_blank" href="http://dabrowskicenter.org/origins">Origins paper</a> Chris mentioned (PDF)</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.positivedisintegration.org/p/what-autopsychotherapy-is">What Autopsychotherapy Is </a></p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.positivedisintegration.org/p/voices-at-the-margins">Ep. 83: Voices at the Margins</a></p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/424880678836389">Adults with Overexcitabilities</a> (Facebook group)</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://pdapodcast.substack.com/">PDA: Resistance and Resilience</a> with Chris Wells and Marni Kammersell</p><p><strong>Connect with us</strong></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="http://www.positivedisintegration.org/">Positive Disintegration on Substack</a></p><p>* Visit the <a target="_blank" href="https://dabrowskicenter.org/">Dabrowski Center website</a></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.facebook.com/positivedisintegrationpod">Facebook</a></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.instagram.com/positivedisintegration_podcast/">Instagram</a></p><p>* The Positive Disintegration <a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/@positivedisintegrationpodc401">YouTube Channel</a></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/424880678836389">Adults with Overexcitabilities</a> group on Facebook</p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.tragicgift.com/">The Tragic Gift blog</a> by Emma</p><p>* Email us at positivedisintegration.pod@gmail.com</p><p>* Please consider donating to the <a target="_blank" href="https://dabrowskicenter.org/">Dabrowski Center</a>, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit.</p><p>* Find <a target="_blank" href="https://www.bonfire.com/store/dabrowski-center/">Positive Disintegration Merch</a></p><p>If you enjoyed this episode on <a target="_blank" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/positive-disintegration-podcast/id1588576001">Apple</a> or <a target="_blank" href="https://spotify.link/vrfAiQIbFDb">Spotify</a>, please remember to click on the stars and leave a rating or write a review. Thank you!</p><p></p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://www.positivedisintegration.org/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_2">www.positivedisintegration.org/subscribe</a>
March 31, 2026
Voices at the Margins
<p>Episode 83 includes something we’ve never done before on Positive Disintegration. It’s a conversation among seven neurodivergent podcasters—recorded as part of a peer-reviewed paper that has just been published in Neurodiversity journal. The paper, “Voices at the Margins: Podcasting as Neuroqueer Collaborative Autoethnography and Epistemic Healing,” positions podcasting as a research methodology within critical neurodiversity studies, and this conversation is the data.</p><p>The seven of us—Caitlin Hughes, Chris Wells, Emma Nicholson, Bee Mayhew, Sheldon Gay, Marni Kammersell, and Teena Mogler—sat down together to explore what podcasting makes possible that other forms of research and advocacy cannot. What emerged was a conversation about voice, belonging, lived experience as expertise, and the kind of knowledge that forms between people when they’re allowed to think out loud together.</p><p>Rather than following a rigid script, we were guided by five open-ended questions that Caitlin designed to hold space for relational dialogue and reflexive sense-making. We talked about the inaccessibility of traditional knowledge spaces, what it means to reclaim lived experience as valid and generative knowledge, and the truths that live in contradiction, tangents, and half-finished thoughts. We also explored how this kind of podcasting ripples outward into neurodivergent community and belonging.</p><p>The paper identifies nine resonances that emerged from the recording, including voice as epistemic repair, messiness as method, lived experience as expertise, multiplicity and difference as community, and humor and play as co-regulation. If you’ve ever felt like this podcast gave you permission to be unfinished, or helped you see yourself outside of yourself—that’s the ripple we’re talking about.</p><p><strong>Read the full paper (open access):</strong> <a target="_blank" href="https://doi.org/10.1177/27546330261437265">https://doi.org/10.1177/27546330261437265</a></p><p><strong>Published in:</strong> Neurodiversity, Volume 4, Special Issue: Towards a Critical Turn in Neurodiversity Studies: Bridging the Arts, Humanities and the Social Sciences</p><p><strong>*A PDF of the transcript is </strong><a target="_blank" href="https://dabrowskicenter.org/voices"><strong>available here</strong></a><a target="_blank" href="https://dabrowskicenter.org/voices"> </a></p><p><strong>The podcasters in this episode:</strong></p><p>* <strong>Caitlin Hughes</strong> (she/they) is a queer, nonbinary, multi-exceptional Australian social worker, researcher, educator, and advocate. Late-identified as Autistic, ADHD, Gifted, and PDA, Caitlin co-hosts the <a target="_blank" href="https://divergentdialogues.substack.com/">Divergent Dialogues</a> podcast and brings a lived experience-led perspective to their work. They are committed to fostering epistemic healing through relational ethics, narrative reclamation, and accessible, lived experience–driven knowledge creation. </p><p>* <strong>Chris Wells</strong> (they/them) is a multi-exceptional, nonbinary, and neurodivergent writer, podcaster, and developmental theorist specializing in Dąbrowski’s theory of positive disintegration. They co-host the <a target="_blank" href="https://www.positivedisintegration.org/">Positive Disintegration</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://cosmiccheersquad.substack.com/">cosmic cheer squad</a>, and <a target="_blank" href="http://pdapodcast.substack.com/">PDA: Resistance and Resilience</a> podcasts, and are the founding president of the Dąbrowski Center and co-creator of the Positive Disintegration Network. Chris brings lived experience and a deep commitment to reframing neurodivergence through a developmental and relational lens.</p><p>* <strong>Emma Nicholson</strong> (she/her) is a neurodivergent Australian Senior Business Analyst, creative and advocate, identifying as gifted, Dyscalculic, with all five overexcitabilities (psychomotor, sensual, intellectual, imaginational, and emotional), as well as bisexual and Heathen. She co-hosts the <a target="_blank" href="https://www.positivedisintegration.org/">Positive Disintegration Podcast</a> and serves as Vice President of the Dąbrowski Center. She is driven by an unkillable passion to demystify positive disintegration and share hard-won truths to help others feel seen and supported.</p><p>* <strong>Bee Mayhew</strong> (she/her) is a multiply neurodivergent (late-identified AuDHD, former gifted kid) writer, narrative collaborator, and communication coordinator for PDN Media. She co-hosts <a target="_blank" href="https://cosmiccheersquad.substack.com/">cosmic cheer squad</a> podcast and has a background as a hospitality specialist and business owner. Bee’s work centers on collective narrative-building and neurodivergent storytelling through activist, community-rooted practice.</p><p>* <strong>Sheldon Gay</strong> (he/him) is a Black Gifted speaker and podcast host of <a target="_blank" href="https://sheldongayisbugn.com/">I Must Be BUG'N</a> (Black Underrepresented/Unidentified Gifted and otherwise Neurodivergent). Sheldon is guided by the belief that learning to deeply and wholly Love oneSelf, cape and kryptonite, is the path to finding, creating, and maintaining Love everywhere we go.</p><p>* <strong>Marni Kammersell</strong> (she/her) is an American late-identified neurodivergent (Autistic, ADHD, PDA, gifted) parent of neurodivergent children. She is an educator, researcher, writer, and consultant, and co-hosts the <a target="_blank" href="http://PDApodcast.substack.com/">PDA: Resistance and Resilience</a> podcast. Marni is dedicated to honoring neurodivergent experience through relational, self-directed, and nervous-system-informed knowledge practices.</p><p>* <strong>Teena Mogler</strong> (she/her) is an Australian AuDHD social worker, researcher, educator, and advocate, as well as co-host of the <a target="_blank" href="https://divergentdialogues.substack.com/">Divergent Dialogues</a> podcast. As a mother to neurodivergent children, Teena is passionate about amplifying neurodivergent voices and disrupting epistemic injustice through lived experience-led, neuroaffirming, and critically reflexive knowledge practices.</p><p><strong>Find the podcasters:</strong></p><p>* Divergent Dialogues: <a target="_blank" href="https://divergentdialogues.substack.com/">divergentdialogues.substack.com</a></p><p>* I Must Be BUG’N: <a target="_blank" href="https://sheldongayisbugn.com/">sheldongayisbugn.com</a></p><p>* Positive Disintegration: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.positivedisintegration.org/">www.positivedisintegration.org</a></p><p>* cosmic cheer squad: <a target="_blank" href="https://cosmiccheersquad.substack.com/">cosmiccheersquad.substack.com</a></p><p>* PDA: Resistance and Resilience: <a target="_blank" href="http://PDApodcast.substack.com/">pdapodcast.substack.com</a></p><p><strong>Connect with us</strong></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="http://www.positivedisintegration.org/">Positive Disintegration on Substack</a></p><p>* Visit the <a target="_blank" href="https://dabrowskicenter.org/">Dabrowski Center website</a></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.facebook.com/positivedisintegrationpod">Facebook</a></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.instagram.com/positivedisintegration_podcast/">Instagram</a></p><p>* The Positive Disintegration <a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/@positivedisintegrationpodc401">YouTube Channel</a></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/424880678836389">Adults with Overexcitabilities</a> group on Facebook</p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.tragicgift.com/">The Tragic Gift blog</a> by Emma</p><p>* Email us at positivedisintegration.pod@gmail.com</p><p>* Please consider donating to the <a target="_blank" href="https://dabrowskicenter.org/">Dabrowski Center</a>, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit.</p><p>* Find <a target="_blank" href="https://www.bonfire.com/store/dabrowski-center/">Positive Disintegration Merch</a></p><p>If you enjoyed this episode on <a target="_blank" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/positive-disintegration-podcast/id1588576001">Apple</a> or <a target="_blank" href="https://spotify.link/vrfAiQIbFDb">Spotify</a>, please remember to click on the stars and leave a rating or write a review. Thank you!</p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://www.positivedisintegration.org/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_2">www.positivedisintegration.org/subscribe</a>
January 13, 2026
Flourishing with AuDHD and PDA
<p>In episode 82, Chris and Emma talk with Mattia Maurée about the intersection of ADHD, autism, and PDA—the Pervasive Drive for Autonomy. Mattia is an AuDHD coach and host of the ADHD Flourishing podcast. We discuss what it actually means to flourish rather than just cope or survive, why the pathology paradigm failed so many of us, and how positive disintegration offers a different lens for understanding intense neurodivergent experiences.</p><p>Mattia shares their journey from misdiagnosis to self-understanding, the physical reality of nervous system shutdown, and why “do less” might be the most radical advice for neurodivergent people. We also get into the work question—why so many of us can’t stay in traditional jobs, the integrity trigger, and what it means to build a life around your actual needs rather than neurotypical expectations.</p><p><strong>Links from this episode</strong></p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.audhdflourishing.com/podcast">AuDHD Flourishing Podcast</a></p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.audhdflourishing.com/podcast/episode/7c41cb56/88-gifted-development-and-positive-disintegration-with-chris-wells">AuDHD Flourishing Episode 88</a> with Chris Wells</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.audhdflourishing.com/products-services/doless">Do Less </a></p><p><strong>Also mentioned:</strong></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://pdapodcast.substack.com/p/creative-resistance">PDA: Resistance and Resilience Episode 7, Creative Resistance</a>, with Marni Kammersell, Chris Wells, and guest Mattia Maurée</p><p>* Caitlin Hughes from the <a target="_blank" href="https://divergentdialogues.substack.com/">Divergent Dialogues</a> Podcast</p><p>* <strong>Connect with us</strong></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="http://www.positivedisintegration.org/">Positive Disintegration on Substack</a></p><p>* Visit the <a target="_blank" href="https://dabrowskicenter.org/">Dabrowski Center website</a></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.facebook.com/positivedisintegrationpod">Facebook</a></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.instagram.com/positivedisintegration_podcast/">Instagram</a></p><p>* The Positive Disintegration <a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/@positivedisintegrationpodc401">YouTube Channel</a></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/424880678836389">Adults with Overexcitabilities</a> group on Facebook</p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.tragicgift.com/">The Tragic Gift blog</a> by Emma</p><p>* Email us at positivedisintegration.pod@gmail.com</p><p>* Please consider donating to the <a target="_blank" href="https://dabrowskicenter.org/">Dabrowski Center</a>, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit.</p><p>* Find <a target="_blank" href="https://www.bonfire.com/store/dabrowski-center/">Positive Disintegration Merch</a></p><p>If you enjoyed this episode on <a target="_blank" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/positive-disintegration-podcast/id1588576001">Apple</a> or <a target="_blank" href="https://spotify.link/vrfAiQIbFDb">Spotify</a>, please remember to click on the stars and leave a rating or write a review. Thank you!</p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://www.positivedisintegration.org/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_2">www.positivedisintegration.org/subscribe</a>
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