A new podcast by two Internal Family Systems (IFS) psychotherapists, Alessio Rizzo (he/they) and Jude Carn (she/they) uses the lenses of queering, neuroqueering, queerness and neurodiversity to make IFS more accessible to these marginalised identities and to support therapists in being better allies, supporters and advocates for their diverse clients.
Queering Internal Family Systems (IFS)
Claim This Podcastby Jude Carn, Alessio Rizzo
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A new podcast by two Internal Family Systems (IFS) psychotherapists, Alessio Rizzo (he/they) and Jude Carn (she/they) uses the lenses of queering, neuroqueering, queerness and neurodiversity to make IFS more accessible to these marginalised identities and to support therapists in being better allies, supporters and advocates for their diverse clients.
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July 8, 2026
Episode 18 - Queering Internal Family Systems (IFS) - Adapting IFS for NeuroQueer Clients
<p><strong>Adapting IFS for Neuroqueer Clients</strong></p><p>In this episode, Jude and Alessio open up a conversation they've been circling for a while: what does it actually mean to adapt IFS for neurodivergent and queer clients? Not as a checklist of tweaks, but as something more fundamental.</p><p>They talk about the difference between changing a slide background colour and genuinely redesigning how the model is taught and held. Alessio shares his experience collaborating on the first neurodivergent-friendly Level 1 IFS training, and reflects on how access fatigue can creep in when a model built for neurotypical brains is simply handed over unchanged.</p><p>From there the conversation moves into the clinical room: what happens when a therapist mistakes verbal processing for a storytelling part, or cognitive processing time for intellectualising? How do two systems, therapist and client, both trying to do IFS "right," end up getting in each other's way? And what does it mean to stay genuinely curious rather than reaching for a protocol?</p><p>Jude also names something she feels strongly about: IFS is not a linear march toward exile work. Protectors are not obstacles. All parts matter, and working with them is as valuable as anything else the model offers.</p><p>This is the first of what will likely be several episodes on this theme.</p><p><strong>Time Stamps</strong></p><p>00:00 Introduction and today's topic </p><p>02:30 Why adaptations aren't just add-ons 05:50 Neurodivergent-friendly IFS training </p><p>08:00 Mistaking self-expression for parts </p><p>11:00 Access fatigue and trying to do IFS right </p><p>14:00 The therapeutic relationship as container </p><p>17:00 Learning the model before adapting it </p><p>21:00 Being self-led in how you meet other systems </p><p>23:00 All parts are valid, protectors included </p><p>26:00 Grace, practice, and to be continued</p><p><strong>Disclaimer</strong></p><p>This podcast is hosted by qualified therapists who share personal reflections and professional insights into therapy and mental health. The views expressed are those of the individual speakers or guests and are personal to them.</p><p>While we talk about therapy, this podcast is not therapy. It's for information, reflection, and conversation only, and should never be considered a substitute for professional mental health support, diagnosis, or treatment. Listening to this podcast does not create a therapist-client relationship.</p><p>Some episodes may touch on sensitive topics, so please take care while listening. If you're struggling, we encourage you to reach out to a qualified therapist or mental health professional in your area.</p><p>Guest opinions are their own and don't necessarily reflect those of the hosts.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Contacts</strong></p><p>Alessio Rizzo (He/They) is a Certified IFS psychotherapist, IFS Trainer with the IFS Institute, and Approved Clinical Consultant (ACC) — <a href="www.therapywithalessio.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">www.therapywithalessio.com</a></p><p>Jude Carn (She/They) is a Certified IFS psychotherapist and Approved Clinical Consultant (ACC) — <a href="www.anchoredinself.co.uk" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">www.anchoredinself.co.uk</a></p><p>Sound editing by Forbes Coleman </p>
June 10, 2026
Episode 17 - Queering Internal Family Systems (IFS) - Queer Joy!
<p><strong>Queer Joy is an Act of Resistance</strong></p><p>In this episode, Jude and Alessio explore queer joy - what it is, where it lives, and why it matters. Starting from a poster on a friend's kitchen wall ("queer joy is an act of resistance"), they follow the thread through personal reflection, IFS parts work, and the politics of marginalised identity.</p><p>They talk about the internal experience of joy as an expression of self-energy, and the protector parts that learn early on that visible joy, particularly joy that doesn't conform to dominant norms, can be dangerous. Alessio shares research from Pink Therapy on queer community engagement and reflects on how homonormativity can recreate the same hierarchies and judgements that queer people face in wider heteronormative society.</p><p>The conversation moves through neurodivergent joy, and the particular charge of joy that emerges specifically because something has been marginalised. From hand-flapping with a colleague to a trans pin on someone's lapel to RuPaul's Drag Race, they notice how joy can arrive in the smallest, most ordinary moments, and what it means to let it.</p><p>They close with a question for listeners: what makes you joyful? And what parts might be getting in the way?</p><p>Watch this space: a guest episode on queer joy is in the making.</p><p><br></p><p>00:00 Introduction and what is queer joy? </p><p>03:00 Joy as an expression of self-energy </p><p>07:00 Homonormativity and the policing of joy </p><p>09:00 Neurodivergent joy and the shame of being too much </p><p>16:00 Joy as an act of resistance </p><p>19:00 Does queer joy require community? </p><p>24:00 The smallest moments of queer joy </p><p>28:00 IFS, parts, and unlocking exiled joy </p><p>30:00 What makes you joyful?</p><p><strong>Disclaimer</strong></p><p>This podcast is hosted by qualified therapists who share personal reflections and professional insights into therapy and mental health. The views expressed are those of the individual speakers or guests and are personal to them.</p><p>While we talk about therapy, this podcast is not therapy. It's for information, reflection, and conversation only, and should never be considered a substitute for professional mental health support, diagnosis, or treatment. Listening to this podcast does not create a therapist-client relationship.</p><p>Some episodes may touch on sensitive topics, so please take care while listening. If you're struggling, we encourage you to reach out to a qualified therapist or mental health professional in your area.</p><p>Guest opinions are their own and don't necessarily reflect those of the hosts.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Contacts</strong></p><p>Alessio Rizzo (He/They) is a Certified IFS psychotherapist, IFS Trainer with the IFS Institute, and Approved Clinical Consultant (ACC) — www.therapywithalessio.com</p><p>Jude Carn (She/They) is a Certified IFS psychotherapist and Approved Clinical Consultant (ACC) — www.anchoredinself.co.uk</p><p><br></p><p>Sound editing by Forbes Coleman </p>
May 20, 2026
Episode 16 - Queering Internal Family Systems (IFS) - Discrimination Burnout
<p>Ever felt burnt out by things that didn’t happen? Let’s talk about discrimination burnout, a concept that hits hard for many neurodivergent and queer folks. We’re diving deep into the stress of non-events and societal biases.</p><p><br></p><p>Alessio shares their journey with discrimination burnout, and Jude brings in valuable insights on minority stress theory. Tune in for a candid chat about navigating a world that doesn’t always make space for everyone, and how to build strength through it all.</p><p><br></p><p>00:00 Introduction to Discrimination Burnout</p><p>03:03 Defining Discrimination Burnout and Non-Event Stress</p><p>07:46 Impact of Non-Event Stress and Unconscious Bias</p><p>12:39 Understanding Burnout in Neurodivergent Individuals</p><p>17:34 Self-Blame and Minority Stress</p><p>22:58 Resilience and Advocacy through Writing</p><p>29:32 Conclusion and Call to Action</p><p><br></p><p>Burnout Vs autistic burnout explained here on <a href="https://embrace-autism.com/burnout-vs-autistic-burnout/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Embrace Autism</a></p><p><br></p><p>If this resonates, share it! Help us spread awareness and support those who need it. Find us online for more resources.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Disclaimer</strong></p><p>This podcast is hosted by qualified therapists who share personal reflections and professional insights into therapy and mental health. The views expressed are those of the individual speakers or guests and are personal to them.</p><p><br></p><p>While we talk about therapy, this podcast is not therapy. It’s for information, reflection, and conversation only, and should never be considered a substitute for professional mental health support, diagnosis, or treatment. Listening to this podcast does not create a therapist-client relationship.</p><p><br></p><p>Some episodes may touch on sensitive topics, so please take care while listening. If you're struggling, we encourage you to reach out to a qualified therapist or mental health professional in your area.</p><p><br></p><p>Guest opinions are their own and don’t necessarily reflect those of the hosts.</p><p><br></p><p>Contacts</p><p>Alessio Rizzo (He/They) is a Certified IFS psychotherapist, IFS Trainer with the IFS institute, and Approved Clinical Consultant (ACC) - <a href="www.therapywithalessio.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">www.therapywithalessio.com</a></p><p><br></p><p>Jude Carn (She/They) is a Certified IFS psychotherapist and Approved Clinical Consultant (ACC) with the IFS Institute - <a href="www.anchoredinself.co.uk" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">www.anchoredinself.co.uk</a></p><p><br></p><p>Sound editing by Forbes Coleman</p>
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