Vert is the home for every trail & ultra runner. On this podcast we host conversations with key members of our Trail & Ultra running community from all over the world. From professional world class athletes to our Vert.run members and community. Narrating captivating stories and learning from and about this amazing sport.

Running long - A trail & ultra running talk
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Vert is the home for every trail & ultra runner. On this podcast we host conversations with key members of our Trail & Ultra running community from all over the world. From professional world class athletes to our Vert.run members and community. Narrating captivating stories and learning from and about this amazing sport.
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Recent Episodes

April 2, 2026
185. Abby Hall | From Training to Reality: What Trail Running Actually Feels Like
<p>Francesco and Abby Hall are both injured days after Black Canyon 100k. One DNF, one top-five finish, two hard falls. A real conversation about processing setbacks, racing at the front of a historic women’s field, and what actually drives a big performance.</p><p><br>Abby breaks down how her race unfolded, from a controlled start hitting goal splits, to the fall that cost her minutes mid-race, to a split-for-split battle with Molly Seidel all the way to the finish. The margins were that tight. And what that says about where the women’s field is right now is worth paying attention to.</p><p><br>There’s also a bigger thread running through this episode: what does it mean to perform at the front of a sport that’s getting faster and deeper every year? Francesco and Abby talk about the weight of expectations that came with Abby’s Western States win last year, and why a race like this one felt like a release as much as a result. They dig into the idea of specificity, why fitness alone doesn’t explain a 25-minute improvement over the same course, and why the real gains often come down to execution rather than the lab numbers.</p><p><br>And there’s a mentality piece worth highlighting: Abby’s been drawing inspiration from how gravel cyclists talk about their races, winning, losing, making mistakes, and moving on without letting any single result define them. It’s a harder mindset to hold when you’re only racing four or five times a year, but she’s trying to bring that lightness into how she processes all of this.</p><p><br>Raw, honest, and worth an hour of your time.<br>Train with a plan built around you. </p><p><br></p><p>Start your 7-day free trial of VertPro and get 30% off your first month with code <a href="https://app.vert.run/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">RUNNINGLONG30</a></p><p><br>Download the app: </p><ul><li><a href="https://apps.apple.com/us/app/vert-trail-ultra-coaching/id1560376613?utm_source=Podcast&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=podcast_episode_185" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">iOS</a></li><li><a href="https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=run.vert.app" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Android</a></li></ul><p><br>Follow <a href="https://www.instagram.com/vert.run/?utm_source=Podcast&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=podcast_episode_185_link_instagram_profile_April_2" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">@vert.run </a>on instagram</p><p>More at <a href="https://vert.run" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Vert.run</a></p><p><br>Francesco’s links: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/accounts/login/?next=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Ffrancesco.puppi%2F&is_from_rle" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Instagram </a>| <a href="https://x.com/fra_puppinho" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">X </a>| <a href="https://substack.com/@francescopuppi" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Strava </a>| <a href="https://francescopuppi.it/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Website</a></p>

February 12, 2026
184. Francesco Puppi, Moisés Jiménez & Max Keith | Jim Walmsley Training Secret's and Francesco Puppi Black Canyon Preview
<p>Days before lining up at Black Canyon 100K, Francesco Puppi sits down with Moisés Jiménez and Max Keith for a deep dive into training philosophy, double-threshold blocks, and what he learned from living and training alongside Jim Walmsley in Arizona.</p><p>This conversation centers on performance — not hype.</p><p>Francesco breaks down what he saw firsthand inside Jim’s preparation: Norwegian-style double threshold days, lactate testing between reps, treadmill precision at 7,000 feet, and the detailed charts mapping grade-adjusted pace to real-world effort. They unpack how controlled treadmill sessions can sharpen fitness — and where that approach may fall short when it comes to downhill durability and technical trail adaptation.</p><p>They explore:</p><ul><li>What double-threshold training actually looks like (5x6min uphill + 10x3min controlled efforts)</li><li>Why Jim measures lactate mid-workout — and what he’s looking for</li><li>How to build aerobic power without going “all out”</li><li>The pros and limitations of treadmill-based performance blocks</li><li>Translating controlled lab-style fitness into chaotic desert terrain</li></ul><p>Francesco also shares how his own training differs — why he prioritizes eccentric load, downhill strength, and trail specificity — and how he’s integrating lessons from Arizona without abandoning his system.</p><p>The conversation shifts into race execution: sodium strategies, heat adaptation ahead of Western States, passive vs. active heat training, and the discomfort of Black Canyon’s rolling, relentless terrain. They discuss how early-season American racing forces athletes to sharpen fitness in January and February — and whether that’s sustainable long term.</p><p>If you’re interested in the how behind elite performance — the data, the structure, the experimentation, and the honest doubts — this episode delivers a rare look inside high-level ultra preparation.</p><p>What you’ll learn</p><ul><li>The structure of Jim Walmsley’s double-threshold block</li><li>How lactate testing shapes workout intensity</li><li>Why treadmill precision can accelerate aerobic gains</li><li>The missing pieces when training indoors for trail ultras</li><li>Heat and sodium strategies for Western States-style racing</li><li>How to evolve your system without overhauling it</li></ul><p>🎧 Listen on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.</p><p>🏃♂️ Want to train smarter, not harder?<br>Use code RUNNINGLONG30 for 30% off your first month of Vert.run training.</p><p>📲 Follow <a href="https://www.instagram.com/vert.run?igsh=MW85aGViMG0xMnU2dw%3D%3D&utm_source=qr" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">@vert.run</a><br>Download the app and start your personalized training at <a href="https://vert.run/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Vert.run</a></p><p>Francesco’s links:<a href="https://www.instagram.com/accounts/login/?next=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Ffrancescopuppi%2F&is_from_rle" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Instagram </a>| <a href="https://x.com/francescopuppi" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">X </a>| <a href="https://www.strava.com/pros/11943431" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Strava </a>| <a href="https://francescopuppi.it/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Website</a></p>

December 9, 2025
183. Max Keith | Pacers, Crews, World Champs & the Future of Trail Running: The 2025 Recap
Francesco Puppi interviews Max Keith about the future of trail running in 2025, touching on pacers, content creation, and the impact of technology, offering insights into the sport's rapid evolution.
186 total episodes available with 81 transcripts
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