Grading is an extremely important and largely unexamined piece of the classroom puzzle. In this weekly podcast, Sharona Krinsky and Robert Bosley, two long time classroom instructors from the K-12 and Higher Ed worlds, explore the nuts and bolts of grading student work. From looking at traditional grading practices to other types of grading such as alternative grading, equitable grading, ungrading, and more, join us as we and our guests provide the research, practices, and details needed to create a more effective grading practice that supports student learning and success. For more information, check out our website, https://www.thegradingpod.com

The Grading Podcast
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Grading is an extremely important and largely unexamined piece of the classroom puzzle. In this weekly podcast, Sharona Krinsky and Robert Bosley, two long time classroom instructors from the K-12 and Higher Ed worlds, explore the nuts and bolts of grading student work. From looking at traditional grading practices to other types of grading such as alternative grading, equitable grading, ungrading, and more, join us as we and our guests provide the research, practices, and details needed to create a more effective grading practice that supports student learning and success. For more information, check out our website, https://www.thegradingpod.com
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Recent Episodes

May 26, 2026
150 - Finding Joy in Teaching Again with Kimberly Ellen Hall and Dan Guberman
<p>In this episode, Sharona and Boz are joined by Dan Guberman and Kimberly Ellen Hall to reflect on a recent Grading for Growth post exploring how alternative grading can make teaching more joyful. The conversation moves beyond the usual student-centered arguments for grading reform and instead examines how abandoning points-based systems can fundamentally transform instructors’ relationships with their work, their students, and even themselves. Drawing on experiences from music conservatories, art schools, mathematics classrooms, and online humanities courses, the group discusses everything from attendance and student motivation to embodied learning, handwritten reflection, and the emotional exhaustion caused by traditional grading systems. Along the way, they explore how alternative grading shifts classroom conversations away from compliance and toward genuine engagement, why arts education offers important lessons for all disciplines, and how grading reform can open space for creativity, connection, and meaningful learning.</p><p><span class="ql-size-large">Links</span></p><p>Please note - any books linked here are likely Amazon Associates links. Clicking on them and purchasing through them helps support the show. Thanks for your support!</p><ul><li><a href="https://gradingforgrowth.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Grading that Feels Good</a>, the Grading for Growth Blog</li><li><a href="https://www.apa.org/pubs/books/how-the-body-shapes-knowledge-intro-sample.pdf" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">An Introduction to the Theory of Embodied Cognition</a></li></ul><br/><p><span class="ql-size-large">Resources</span></p><p><a href="https://www.centerforgradingreform.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Center for Grading Reform</a> - seeking to advance education in the United States by supporting effective grading reform at all levels through conferences, educational workshops, professional development, research and scholarship, influencing public policy, and community building.</p><p><a href="https://www.thegradingconference.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Grading Conference</a> - an annual, online conference exploring Alternative Grading in Higher Education & K-12.</p><p>Some great resources to educate yourself about Alternative Grading:</p><ul><li><a href="https://gradingforgrowth.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Grading for Growth Blog</a></li><li><a href="https://www.thegradingconference.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Grading Conference</a></li><li><a href="https://intentionalacademia.substack.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Intentional Academia Blog</a></li></ul><br/><p>Recommended Books on Alternative Grading:</p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Grading-Growth-Alternative-Practices-Engagement/dp/1642673811/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2AY77FRS7LWBJ&amp;keywords=grading+for+growth&amp;qid=1690223954&amp;sprefix=grading+for+growth%252Caps%252C122&amp;sr=8-1&_encoding=UTF8&tag=thegradingpod-20&linkCode=ur2&linkId=fe8d967e9ef22adcf74c58fbd3b9392b&camp=1789&creative=9325" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Grading for Growth</a>, by Robert Talbert and David Clark</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Specifications-Grading-Restoring-Motivating-Students/dp/1620362422/ref=sr_1_1?crid=IIE9IBXJOZY9&amp;keywords=specifications+grading&amp;qid=1690228778&amp;sprefix=specifications+grading%252Caps%252C131&amp;sr=8-1&_encoding=UTF8&tag=thegradingpod-20&linkCode=ur2&linkId=488cafcb421ce6921a7790e129a928b7&camp=1789&creative=9325" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Specifications Grading</a>, by Linda Nilsen</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CFCZ5VCS?ref_=cm_sw_p_kb_dp&tag=thegradingpod-20&linkCode=kpe" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Undoing the Grade</a>, by Jesse Stommel</li></ul><br/><p>Follow us on Bluesky, Facebook and Instagram - @thegradingpod. To leave us a comment, please go to our website: www.thegradingpod.com and leave a comment on this episode's page.</p><p>If you would like to be considered to be a guest on this show, please reach out using the Contact Us form on our website, <a href="https://www.thegradingpod.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.thegradingpod.com</a>.</p><p>All content of this podcast and website are solely the opinions of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily represent the views of California State University Los Angeles or the Los Angeles Unified School District.</p><p><span class="ql-size-large">Music</span></p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuEhnFL_D38" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Country Rock performed by Lite Saturation</a>, licensed under a <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/4.0/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 International License</a>.</p>

May 19, 2026
149 - Building a Classroom About Learning: Alt Grading in an Introduction to Theater Arts class with Teresa Focarile
<p>In this episode, Sharona and Boz are joined by Teresa Focarile, Director of Educational Development at Boise State University, to discuss her first semester implementing an alternative grading system in an Introduction to Theater course. Teresa shares how moving away from weighted averages toward a blend of specifications and mastery-based grading transformed not only the clarity of her course, but also the way students engaged with learning itself. Through transparent grade pathways, co-created rubrics, opportunities for revision, and clearly articulated learning levels like “informed audience member” and “theater artist,” students reported feeling more empowered, less anxious, and more focused on genuine learning rather than point accumulation. The conversation explores everything from the challenges of tracking systems and feedback loops to the realities of implementing alternative grading as an adjunct faculty member, while also highlighting how arts education naturally raises important questions about what grades should actually communicate. Throughout the episode, a central theme emerges: when grading systems become more transparent and human-centered, students are more likely to see the classroom as a place designed to support learning rather than simply sort performance.</p><p><span class="ql-size-large">Links</span></p><p>Please note - any books linked here are likely Amazon Associates links. Clicking on them and purchasing through them helps support the show. Thanks for your support!</p><ul><li><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gt75H_q3aW97RgHYmyUaQeoidFvbAHs6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=111539319934850637310&rtpof=true&sd=true" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Intro to Theater Syllabus, by Teresa Focarile</a></li></ul><br/><p><span class="ql-size-large">Resources</span></p><p><a href="https://www.centerforgradingreform.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Center for Grading Reform</a> - seeking to advance education in the United States by supporting effective grading reform at all levels through conferences, educational workshops, professional development, research and scholarship, influencing public policy, and community building.</p><p><a href="https://www.thegradingconference.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Grading Conference</a> - an annual, online conference exploring Alternative Grading in Higher Education & K-12.</p><p>Some great resources to educate yourself about Alternative Grading:</p><ul><li><a href="https://gradingforgrowth.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Grading for Growth Blog</a></li><li><a href="https://www.thegradingconference.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Grading Conference</a></li><li><a href="https://intentionalacademia.substack.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Intentional Academia Blog</a></li></ul><br/><p>Recommended Books on Alternative Grading:</p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Grading-Growth-Alternative-Practices-Engagement/dp/1642673811/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2AY77FRS7LWBJ&amp;keywords=grading+for+growth&amp;qid=1690223954&amp;sprefix=grading+for+growth%252Caps%252C122&amp;sr=8-1&_encoding=UTF8&tag=thegradingpod-20&linkCode=ur2&linkId=fe8d967e9ef22adcf74c58fbd3b9392b&camp=1789&creative=9325" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Grading for Growth</a>, by Robert Talbert and David Clark</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Specifications-Grading-Restoring-Motivating-Students/dp/1620362422/ref=sr_1_1?crid=IIE9IBXJOZY9&amp;keywords=specifications+grading&amp;qid=1690228778&amp;sprefix=specifications+grading%252Caps%252C131&amp;sr=8-1&_encoding=UTF8&tag=thegradingpod-20&linkCode=ur2&linkId=488cafcb421ce6921a7790e129a928b7&camp=1789&creative=9325" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Specifications Grading</a>, by Linda Nilsen</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CFCZ5VCS?ref_=cm_sw_p_kb_dp&tag=thegradingpod-20&linkCode=kpe" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Undoing the Grade</a>, by Jesse Stommel</li></ul><br/><p>Follow us on Bluesky, Facebook and Instagram - @thegradingpod. To leave us a comment, please go to our website: www.thegradingpod.com and leave a comment on this episode's page.</p><p>If you would like to be considered to be a guest on this show, please reach out using the Contact Us form on our website, <a href="https://www.thegradingpod.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.thegradingpod.com</a>.</p><p>All content of this podcast and website are solely the opinions of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily represent the views of California State University Los Angeles or the Los Angeles Unified School District.</p><p><span class="ql-size-large">Music</span></p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuEhnFL_D38" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Country Rock performed by Lite Saturation</a>, licensed under a <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/4.0/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 International License</a>.</p>

May 12, 2026
148 - Oral Exams, Feedback Loops, and the Future of Assessment
<p>In this episode, Sharona and Boz explore what assessment might look like in a world increasingly shaped by AI. Starting with a recent article from faculty at Middlebury College challenging institutions to recenter learning rather than ranking students, the conversation moves into a provocative discussion of oral exams, authentic assessment, and the growing limitations of traditional testing. The hosts unpack a history professor’s experiment with 71 oral final exams in 12 days, reflecting on the power of conversation-based assessment to deepen feedback, strengthen trust, and reveal genuine student understanding in ways that written exams often cannot. Along the way, they connect these ideas to their own classroom experiences, the challenges AI poses for validating student work, and the need for assessments that emphasize creativity, revision, human interaction, and meaningful thinking over rote production. Ultimately, the episode argues that the future of grading reform may depend not only on changing how we grade, but on fundamentally reimagining how we assess learning itself. </p><p><span class="ql-size-large">Links</span></p><p>Please note - any books linked here are likely Amazon Associates links. Clicking on them and purchasing through them helps support the show. Thanks for your support!</p><ul><li><a href="https://www.middleburycampus.com/article/2026/04/recentering-learning-when-we-talk-about-grades" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Recentering learning when we talk about grades</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facultyfocus.com/articles/educational-assessment/what-i-learned-from-giving-71-oral-exams-in-12-days/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">What I learned from giving 71 oral exams in 12 days</a></li><li><a href="https://gradingforgrowth.com/p/finding-meaningful-moments-in-a-merger" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Finding Meaningful Moments in a Merger</a></li></ul><br/><p><span class="ql-size-large">Resources</span></p><p><a href="https://www.centerforgradingreform.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Center for Grading Reform</a> - seeking to advance education in the United States by supporting effective grading reform at all levels through conferences, educational workshops, professional development, research and scholarship, influencing public policy, and community building.</p><p><a href="https://www.thegradingconference.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Grading Conference</a> - an annual, online conference exploring Alternative Grading in Higher Education & K-12.</p><p>Some great resources to educate yourself about Alternative Grading:</p><ul><li><a href="https://gradingforgrowth.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Grading for Growth Blog</a></li><li><a href="https://www.thegradingconference.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Grading Conference</a></li><li><a href="https://intentionalacademia.substack.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Intentional Academia Blog</a></li></ul><br/><p>Recommended Books on Alternative Grading:</p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Grading-Growth-Alternative-Practices-Engagement/dp/1642673811/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2AY77FRS7LWBJ&amp;keywords=grading+for+growth&amp;qid=1690223954&amp;sprefix=grading+for+growth%252Caps%252C122&amp;sr=8-1&_encoding=UTF8&tag=thegradingpod-20&linkCode=ur2&linkId=fe8d967e9ef22adcf74c58fbd3b9392b&camp=1789&creative=9325" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Grading for Growth</a>, by Robert Talbert and David Clark</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Specifications-Grading-Restoring-Motivating-Students/dp/1620362422/ref=sr_1_1?crid=IIE9IBXJOZY9&amp;keywords=specifications+grading&amp;qid=1690228778&amp;sprefix=specifications+grading%252Caps%252C131&amp;sr=8-1&_encoding=UTF8&tag=thegradingpod-20&linkCode=ur2&linkId=488cafcb421ce6921a7790e129a928b7&camp=1789&creative=9325" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Specifications Grading</a>, by Linda Nilsen</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CFCZ5VCS?ref_=cm_sw_p_kb_dp&tag=thegradingpod-20&linkCode=kpe" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Undoing the Grade</a>, by Jesse Stommel</li></ul><br/><p>Follow us on Bluesky, Facebook and Instagram - @thegradingpod. To leave us a comment, please go to our website: www.thegradingpod.com and leave a comment on this episode's page.</p><p>If you would like to be considered to be a guest on this show, please reach out using the Contact Us form on our website, <a href="https://www.thegradingpod.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.thegradingpod.com</a>.</p><p>All content of this podcast and website are solely the opinions of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily represent the views of California State University Los Angeles or the Los Angeles Unified School District.</p><p><span class="ql-size-large">Music</span></p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuEhnFL_D38" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Country Rock performed by Lite Saturation</a>, licensed under a <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/4.0/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 International License</a>.</p>
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