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- 2026
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About Not So Deep
The Not So Deep Podcast is for high-performing people who want to get lean, restore how their body responds, and build results that actually survive real life — without living in the gym, tracking forever, or making fitness a full-time job. Hosted by Lauren and Dilan, founders of RISE Society, this show is for people who already understand the basics. You train. You know calories and macros matter. You know how to “lock in.” But your body is no longer responding proportionally to the effort you’re putting in. We break down health-first fat loss, metabolism, digestion, bloating, food freedom, training, recovery, stress, mindset, lifestyle, and the patterns that keep high performers stuck in the **More-Effort Loop**: eating less, adding cardio, tracking tighter, training harder, feeling worse, and starting over again. If you’ve ever thought, **“I know how to work hard. Why does my body still require this much effort?”** this podcast is for you. Expect honest conversations, practical coaching, real-life examples, and no-fluff education on how to figure out what your body actually needs next — whether that means restoring, pursuing fat loss, increasing food and flexibility, or learning how to maintain through work, travel, restaurants, busy weeks, and everything else life throws at you. Because getting lean is only part of the goal. The real goal is building a lean, strong, energetic body that does not require your whole life to maintain. The Not So Deep Podcast helps you stop guessing, get your body responding again, and become confident enough with your health and fitness that you no longer need rigid routines, constant restriction, or permanent tracking to stay in control.
- Publisher
- Dilan Velagic & Lauren Hickey
- Category
- health & fitness · health & fitness · health & fitness
- Language
- en
- Explicit
- Yes
- First episode
- 1 Jul 2026
- Latest episode
- 30 Sept 2026
Latest episodes
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30 Sept 2026
The Simple Strategies we Use to Stay Lean For Life
Staying lean for life isn’t about dieting harder, avoiding social events, or being perfect with your nutrition. It comes down to building sustainable habits, changing your identity, and learning how to make better decisions without feeling restricted. In this episode of the Not So Deep Podcast, Dilan and Lauren break down what it actually takes to maintain a lean physique long term while still enjoying your life. We talk about how to balance health and fitness goals with eating out, drinking, travel, social events, and real life without falling into an all-or-nothing mindset. You’ll learn: • How identity shifts make healthy habits easier to maintain • Why staying lean requires different decisions, not constant restriction • How to make simple food adjustments throughout the day • How to create realistic health and fitness non-negotiables • How to use “if-then” planning before social events • How to enjoy pizza, dessert, alcohol, and restaurants without derailing your goals • Why having fun doesn’t need to mean binge drinking or overeating • How to set boundaries around your health without guilt • How planning ahead creates more flexibility, not less • How to build habits that support sustainable fat loss and long-term weight maintenance If you’ve ever felt like you have to choose between having a social life and staying in shape, this episode will show you how to build a lifestyle where both can exist. The goal isn’t perfection. It’s learning how to adjust, stay consistent, and make decisions that align with the person you want to become. Follow Dilan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dilan.velagic/ (https://www.instagram.com/dilan.velagic/) Follow Lauren on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/laurenhickeey/ (https://www.instagram.com/laurenhickeey/)
16 Sept 2026
Your Guide to Food Freedom
What does real food freedom actually look like? In this episode, we break down our Food Freedom Framework and the process of going from nutritional chaos, restriction, bingeing, and obsessing over food to eventually being able to trust yourself around food without tracking everything forever. We cover why jumping straight into intuitive eating often doesn’t work, why structure has to come before flexibility, and how tracking can be an incredibly useful tool without becoming something you depend on for life. We also break down: How to understand your current relationship with food Why structure comes before food freedom How to use tracking without becoming dependent on it How to navigate restaurants, weekends, and higher-calorie foods without losing control The difference between hunger, appetite, cravings, food noise, fullness, and satisfaction How to slowly move away from tracking How to pursue physique goals without constantly dieting How to eventually become your own coach Our goal is not to teach you to stop caring about nutrition or your physique. It’s to give you the education and skills to take care of your body, maintain standards for yourself, and still have flexibility in your actual life. If you’ve ever wondered how people get to the point where they can maintain a body they feel good in without obsessively tracking every bite, this episode breaks down what that process actually requires. Follow us on Instagram: Dilan: https://www.instagram.com/dilan.velagic/ (https://www.instagram.com/dilan.velagic/) Lauren: https://www.instagram.com/laurenhickeey/ (https://www.instagram.com/laurenhickeey/)
9 Sept 2026
Why Calories In, Calories Out Is Only Part of the Story
Calories matter for fat loss, but they are not the entire story. In this episode of The Not So Deep Podcast, we break down why nutrient density can have such a major impact on your metabolism, gut health, hormones, hunger, energy, recovery, mental health, and your ability to actually sustain a fat-loss phase. We talk about why you can technically lose weight eating a low-quality diet while still feeling exhausted, hungry, inflamed, under-recovered, and obsessed with food. We also cover: • Why calories in, calories out still matters • Why food quality can make a calorie deficit significantly easier to sustain • How protein, fiber, micronutrients, and whole foods impact satiety • The connection between nutrition, digestion, hormones, and metabolic health • Foods we recommend building most of your diet around • Foods to be more cautious with without creating unnecessary food fear • Why eating more nutrient-dense foods can sometimes allow you to eat more food volume while still progressing • How to balance nutrient density with restaurants, desserts, and real life The goal is not to eat perfectly. The goal is to build a diet that supports your health, physique, performance, and relationship with food at the same time. Follow us on Instagram: Dilan: https://www.instagram.com/dilan.velagic/ (https://www.instagram.com/dilan.velagic/) Lauren: https://www.instagram.com/laurenhickeey/ (https://www.instagram.com/laurenhickeey/)
2 Sept 2026
What to Do When Your Metabolism Stops Responding
If you feel like every fat-loss phase requires you to eat less, do more cardio, and work harder just to see the same result, this episode is for you. In this episode of The Not So Deep Podcast, Dilan and Lauren break down what people actually mean when they say their metabolism has “crashed,” how metabolic adaptation happens, and why so many women end up stuck dieting on less and less food. We cover: Why your metabolism can become more efficient during long periods of dieting The cycle of cutting calories, adding cardio, plateauing, and cutting again How to know when it is time to stop dieting What reverse dieting actually is How to increase calories without panicking over the scale Why coaches often fail clients by keeping them in a deficit too long How to reverse diet on your own When you are actually ready to enter another fat-loss phase Why maintenance is a critical part of long-term results The goal of this episode is not to convince you that your metabolism is broken. It is to teach you how to stop dieting yourself into a corner and build a body that can actually respond when you decide to pursue fat loss again. Follow us on Instagram: Dilan: https://www.instagram.com/dilan.velagic/ (https://www.instagram.com/dilan.velagic/) Lauren: https://www.instagram.com/laurenhickeey/ (https://www.instagram.com/laurenhickeey/)
20 Aug 2026
Why High Performers Get Stuck With Fat Loss
If you’re disciplined, consistent, and used to getting results when you work harder, it can be incredibly frustrating when your body stops following the same rules. You already train. You understand calories and macros. You know how to “lock in.” So when fat loss stalls, your instinct is probably to eat less, add cardio, track tighter, train harder, or clean things up even more. But what if effort is no longer the thing holding you back? In this episode of The Not So Deep Podcast, Lauren and Dilan break down the High-Performer Trap — the point where discipline stops being an advantage and starts becoming your default response to problems that actually require better judgment, better sequencing, and better recovery. We cover: Why high performers get stuck in the More-Effort Loop The difference between effort and leverage How control can start looking like discipline Why perfect compliance does not always mean your plan is working How to tell whether your body is actually responding to what you are doing Why a plan that only works under perfect conditions is not truly sustainable How to stop reacting to every scale fluctuation, bloated day, or bad workout The difference between a real signal and normal noise How to adjust your fitness strategy during ideal, busy, and survival weeks Why sometimes the smartest move is to push harder — and sometimes it is to restore, maintain, or change nothing The High-Performer Health Audit to assess your effort, response, flexibility, recovery, and mental bandwidth How the RISE Metabolic Freedom Protocol uses Assess → Sequence → Adapt → Transfer Ownership instead of automatically telling you to do more The biggest takeaway: You do not need lower standards. You need a better way to decide where your effort belongs. The goal is not to become less disciplined. It is to become so competent with your health that discipline stops being the only tool you know how to use. If you feel like your body requires way more work than it should, this episode will help you understand what to look at next. Follow Lauren: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/laurenhickeey/ (https://www.instagram.com/laurenhickeey/) Follow Dilan: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dilan.velagic/ (https://www.instagram.com/dilan.velagic/)
13 Aug 2026
Still Bloated? 5 Things You’re Probably Missing
If you eat healthy, train consistently, prioritize protein, and still feel bloated, puffy, constipated, or uncomfortable after meals, this episode is for you. In this episode of The Not So Deep Podcast, Lauren and Dilan break down why chronic bloating is not always about one “bad” food — and why cutting gluten, dairy, or adding another probiotic may not solve the actual problem. We cover the most common reasons women stay bloated even when they feel like they’re doing everything right, including constipation, excessive fiber, high food volume, macro-friendly diet foods, artificial sweeteners, under-eating, stress, poor recovery, and constantly eliminating foods without addressing the bigger picture. Lauren also shares her personal gut health story, including years of bloating, food restriction, hormone issues, and trying to control symptoms by cutting more and more foods. If you’ve ever thought: “Why am I bloated even though I eat healthy?” “Why do I wake up bloated?” “Why does my stomach look pregnant by the end of the day?” “Why do healthy foods make me bloated?” “Do I need to cut gluten or dairy?” “Why am I constipated even though I eat a lot of fiber?” …this episode will help you understand what may actually be going on. In this episode, we cover: Why healthy eating does not automatically equal healthy digestion The connection between constipation and bloating Why too much fiber can make bloating worse How volume eating can affect digestion and fullness cues Why protein bars, sugar alcohols, diet foods, and macro hacks may be contributing to symptoms How under-eating and chronic dieting can affect digestion The role stress, sleep, caffeine, and training load can play in gut health Why constantly eliminating foods can create more restriction without fixing the root problem What we look at first when helping women improve digestion inside RISE Society When bloating may require medical evaluation The goal is not to create a longer list of foods you’re afraid to eat. The goal is to understand your body well enough that digestion stops controlling your day. If you’re tired of feeling like you eat healthier than everyone around you but somehow feel worse, this episode will help you stop guessing and start looking at the full picture. Follow Lauren: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/balanced.withlauren/ (https://www.instagram.com/balanced.withlauren/) Follow Dilan: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/builtfor.balance/ (https://www.instagram.com/builtfor.balance/)
7 Aug 2026
The Missing Level in Your Fitness Journey
You track your macros. You prioritize protein. You work out consistently. You eat “healthy.” So why are you still bloated, inflamed, thinking about food all day, struggling to lose stubborn body fat, or terrified to stop tracking? In this episode of the Not So Deep Podcast, Lauren and Dilan break down the three levels of your health and fitness journey and explain why so many women get stuck at Level 2: macros, discipline, dieting, and surface-level control. We share our own experiences with bodybuilding, obsessive macro tracking, extreme discipline, food anxiety, overtraining, hormone issues, poor digestion, and trying to control our bodies harder when what we actually needed was a completely different approach. You’ll learn: • The difference between Level 1, Level 2, and Level 3 nutrition • 5 signs you’re stuck in Level 2 • Why eating clean doesn’t automatically fix bloating or inflammation • How excessive fiber, diet foods, artificial sweeteners, and volume eating can impact digestion • Why constantly cutting calories can make your situation worse • When your body may need restoration, maintenance, or recomp before fat loss • How overtraining and under-fueling can impact recovery and hormone health • Why hitting your macros doesn’t necessarily mean you have a healthy relationship with food • How to transition from tracking everything to actually trusting your body • Why true food freedom still includes nutritional awareness and standards • How to stay lean without letting food, calories, and your physique control your life Level 3 is where calories, food quality, digestion, hormones, training, recovery, and your relationship with food finally work together. If you feel like you’re doing everything “right” but your body still doesn’t match your effort, this episode will help you understand the missing piece. The goal isn’t to lose all structure. It’s to build enough knowledge, health, and self-awareness that you can maintain a body you love without needing perfection to feel in control. Our Instagrams: https://www.instagram.com/builtfor.balance/ (https://www.instagram.com/builtfor.balance/) https://www.instagram.com/balanced.withlauren/ (https://www.instagram.com/balanced.withlauren/)
30 Jul 2026
Why "Healthy" Habits Aren't Working Anymore
You eat healthy. You work out. You drink enough water. You prioritize protein. You take supplements. So... why do you still feel bloated, exhausted, inflamed, and frustrated with your body? In this episode of Not So Deep, Lauren and Dilan unpack one of the biggest misconceptions they hear from women every single week: "I think I just need a few tweaks." After hundreds of conversations with women struggling with food obsession, gut issues, stubborn body composition, and hormone imbalances, they've realized something surprising... Most women aren't one tweak away from feeling better. They're trying to solve one symptom while unknowingly creating five more. Lauren and Dilan share their own experiences with bodybuilding, overtraining, restrictive eating, volume eating, food tracking, and chasing the "perfect" plan, along with the common patterns they now see coaching women around the world. If you've ever felt like you're doing everything right but your body isn't responding, this episode will help you understand why—and what actually needs to change. In this episode, we cover: Why eating "healthy" doesn't always mean you're supporting your body The hidden nutrition mistakes keeping women bloated and inflamed Why more workouts don't always lead to better results The connection between stress, your nervous system, gut health, hormones, and body composition Why food obsession isn't normal (even if it's common) The biggest mistakes women make with protein, fiber, and volume eating Why you can't supplement your way out of lifestyle habits The truth about "just needing accountability" Why lasting results require changing your lifestyle—not just your macros Whether your goal is fat loss, better digestion, improved hormones, food freedom, or finally feeling good in your body again, this episode will challenge the way you've been thinking about health. Connect with Us If this episode resonated with you, we'd love to hear from you. Leave us a review, share this episode with a friend, and tag us on Instagram with your biggest takeaway. Our Instagrams: https://www.instagram.com/balanced.withlauren/ (https://www.instagram.com/balanced.withlauren/) https://www.instagram.com/builtfor.balance/ (https://www.instagram.com/builtfor.balance/)
24 Jul 2026
Why Volume Eating Is Keeping You Stuck (And Nobody's Talking About It)
Volume eating has become one of the biggest trends in the fitness industry. Huge salads. Protein fluff. Protein bars. Cauliflower rice. Zero-calorie sauces. Giant bowls of food. But what if constantly trying to eat the biggest plate possible is actually making your relationship with food worse? In this episode of Not So Deep, Dilan and Lauren dive into the side of volume eating that almost nobody talks about. They share their own experiences with bodybuilding, diet culture, and volume eating, and explain how constantly chasing fullness can disconnect you from your hunger cues, impact your digestion, and keep food taking up way more mental space than it should. This isn't an episode about avoiding vegetables or saying volume eating is "bad." It's about learning when volume can be helpful, when it becomes a problem, and how to build a healthier relationship with food that actually lasts. In this episode, we cover: What volume eating actually is When volume eating can be helpful Why giant portions can make normal meals feel unsatisfying How volume eating affects your relationship with food Signs you've lost touch with normal hunger and fullness Why protein bars, protein desserts, and "diet foods" aren't always the answer How excessive fiber, artificial sweeteners, and processed diet foods may contribute to bloating for some people Our personal stories with bodybuilding, anabolic recipes, and food obsession What food freedom actually looks like How to build meals that leave you satisfied instead of stuffed If you've ever found yourself eating huge bowls of "healthy" food, constantly searching for low-calorie swaps, or wondering why you're always physically full but still thinking about food, this episode is for you. Connect With Us Follow Dilan: https://www.instagram.com/builtfor.balance/ (https://www.instagram.com/builtfor.balance/) Follow Lauren: https://www.instagram.com/balanced.withlauren/ (https://www.instagram.com/balanced.withlauren/)
7 Jul 2026
The Art of Eating Out: Aligning Choices with Your Health Phase
Our Instagrams: Lauren- https://www.instagram.com/balanced.withlauren/ (https://www.instagram.com/balanced.withlauren/) Dilan- https://www.instagram.com/builtfor.balance/ (https://www.instagram.com/builtfor.balance/) Eating out can feel tricky when you’re trying to stay on track with your health, fitness, or nutrition goals, but it doesn’t have to throw you off. In this episode, we’re breaking down how to approach restaurants based on the phase you’re currently in, whether that’s a structured fat loss phase, maintenance, or a gut health-focused phase. Because the truth is, eating out shouldn’t look the same in every season. A fat loss phase may require more structure and planning, while maintenance allows for more flexibility. A gut health phase may need a little more intention around food choices, ingredients, and how your body responds. We’ll walk through how to make restaurant meals work for your goals without overthinking everything, feeling guilty, or missing out on your life. You’ll leave with practical strategies you can use the next time you’re eating out, so you can feel confident, make intentional choices, and still enjoy the experience. Takeaways: Navigating the complexities of dining out necessitates a comprehensive understanding of health phases and goals. In a structured fat loss phase, intentional planning and awareness are crucial for maintaining progress while eating out. During maintenance, individuals should embrace flexibility and develop trust in their food choices without micromanaging every meal. When focusing on gut health, simplicity in meal choices is paramount to avoid triggers and maintain digestive comfort.
1 Jul 2026
Food Noise Explained: Signs, Causes, and Solutions
A thorough exploration of the concept of food noise unfolds in this podcast episode, wherein hosts Lauren and Dilan elucidate the pervasive mental preoccupation that many individuals experience surrounding food. They define food noise as the incessant internal dialogue that prompts individuals to obsessively plan their meals, monitor their caloric intake, and grapple with feelings of guilt when diverging from perceived dietary ideals. Throughout the episode, the hosts articulate key indicators of food noise, providing listeners with a framework to recognize their own experiences with this phenomenon. By sharing relatable anecdotes and insights, they aim to destigmatize the struggles associated with food noise, underscoring that these challenges are not indicative of personal failures but rather manifestations of broader emotional and psychological issues. Transitioning from the identification of food noise, the hosts offer practical advice and strategies for listeners to mitigate its influence in their lives. They advocate for the importance of nourishing one's body adequately, emphasizing that under-fueling often exacerbates the cycle of food noise. By promoting a balanced approach to eating—one that prioritizes satisfying meals over stringent dietary restrictions—the hosts encourage listeners to cultivate a healthier relationship with food. They also stress the significance of self-reflection, encouraging individuals to discern between genuine hunger and emotional triggers that may lead to compulsive eating behaviors. This focus on self-awareness serves as a pivotal step towards reducing the mental burden associated with food noise, fostering a sense of empowerment in listeners. In conclusion, the episode reiterates that overcoming food noise is a process that necessitates both compassion and commitment. The hosts emphasize that food freedom—defined as the ability to enjoy food without guilt or obsession—can be achieved through understanding the root causes of food noise and implementing practical strategies for change. By inviting listeners to reach out for support and engage in their journey towards a healthier relationship with food, the hosts reinforce the message that it is possible to break free from the constraints of food noise and embrace a more liberated approach to eating. Takeaways: Food noise is a pervasive issue characterized by constant mental chatter surrounding food choices. Understanding the underlying causes of food noise is crucial for developing effective strategies to manage it. Emotional and physical signs of food noise can significantly impair one's relationship with food and overall well-being. Establishing a structured eating plan with adequate meals can help mitigate the effects of food noise. Mindful eating practices, such as pausing to assess hunger cues, can reduce impulsive food decisions. Seeking professional guidance can lead to a more balanced approach to nutrition and help one overcome food noise. Instagrams: https://www.instagram.com/builtfor.balance/ (https://www.instagram.com/builtfor.balance/) https://www.instagram.com/balanced.withlauren/ (https://www.instagram.com/balanced.withlauren/)
1 Jul 2026
Your New Favorite Podcast: The Not So Deep Experience Begins
The inaugural episode of the Not So Deep Podcast serves as a vital introduction to our mission: to assist women in cultivating a positive relationship with their bodies and food. We, Lauren and Dilan, co-founders of Rise Society, share our personal journeys through the realms of fitness and nutrition, elucidating the importance of breaking free from the constraints of obsession and rigidity. Our commitment lies in educating women on achieving a sustainable lifestyle, one that fosters both physical health and emotional well-being. This podcast will delve into topics that encourage self-discovery and liberation from societal pressures surrounding body image, while also prioritizing overall health. As we embark on this journey together, we aspire to provide insights that empower and inspire, transforming our listeners' lives for the better.
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