The Fireproof Podcast
Claim This Podcastby Mike Morse
Podcast Overview
<p>Owning a law firm is harder than anyone told you it would be.</p><p>Mike Morse, Kate Nachazel, and Alexa Levantis sit down with attorneys and firm owners to talk about what the job actually looks like — the wins, the bad hires, the pivots, and the moments that almost broke them. Mike built a 290-person firm with $360M in settlements. Every guest has their own version of that story.</p><p>You'll leave each episode with a newfound purpose and the inspiration to keep going, along with practical lessons you can put in place today.</p>
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July 16, 2026
“Nobody can do it better than me” | Fireproof Part 2: Delegation & Core Values
<p>Mike Morse built a personal injury firm from nothing into an operation with 300 people. For a long time he thought he was the only one who could talk to clients, close deals, and hold the operation together.</p><p>But he was wrong. And it nearly wore him out realizing it.</p><p>After a hire through a newspaper ad, came the slow and painful process of handing off the parts of the business he thought only he could run.</p><p>What we covered:</p><p> → Why "nobody can do it better than me" is usually ego, not truth</p><p> → The lunch conversation that led to his first real delegation</p><p> → How to tell if you hired the wrong person</p><p> → Building a training academy instead of throwing new hires into the deep end</p><p> → Keeping culture alive once a firm hits 300 people</p><p>Every leader has a list of things they're convinced nobody else can do. Most of that list is just ego - the list that is truly yours is usually shorter than you think.</p><p></p><p>Chapters</p><p>0:00 Intro: delegation and core values</p><p>0:28 Why lawyers say they can't delegate</p><p>2:09 The list of things nobody could do better than him</p><p>2:49 The lunch that changed how he hired</p><p>4:26 Delegating himself out of a job</p><p>9:23 Delegate and elevate, working at capacity</p><p>13:39 What to do when you have the wrong people</p><p>18:33 Why firms wait too long to hire and train</p><p>22:19 Core values that never changed in 19 years</p><p>28:21 Keeping culture alive at 300 people </p><p></p><p>Connect with Mike</p><p><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaeljmorse">https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaeljmorse</a> </p><p><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.instagram.com/855mikewins/?hl=en">https://www.instagram.com/855mikewins/?hl=en</a> </p><p></p><p>~~~</p><p>This episode is powered by Fireproof Performance</p><p>Ready to fireproof your firm?</p><p><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.fireproofperformance.com/">https://www.fireproofperformance.com/</a></p><p></p><p>Prefer to listen?</p><p><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7IaooNnVVvvQ483fPz7qAd?si=f9fce90599014a4d">https://open.spotify.com/show/7IaooNnVVvvQ483fPz7qAd?si=f9fce90599014a4d</a></p><p><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-fireproof-podcast/id1895057184">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-fireproof-podcast/id1895057184</a></p><p></p><p>Connect with us!</p><p><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.youtube.com/@FireproofPerformance">https://www.youtube.com/@FireproofPerformance</a></p><p><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/fireproof-performance/">https://www.linkedin.com/company/fireproof-performance/</a></p><p><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.facebook.com/fireproofperformance">https://www.facebook.com/fireproofperformance</a></p><p><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.instagram.com/fireproofperformance/">https://www.instagram.com/fireproofperformance/</a></p>
July 9, 2026
This Is What Every Managing Partner Must Know | Philip Pendergrass
<p>Phil Pendergrass has been practicing personal injury law for over a decade... Last year, he merged his firm with two of his closest colleagues and built something new from the ground up.</p><p>But it hasn’t been an easy transition: Two firms with different cultures, both with different ways of doing things. Plus a leadership team that wasn't fully aligned.</p><p>Eight weeks into Fireproof, they've redefined their core values, restructured their org chart, and let go of employees who didn't fit. The meetings they weren't having before, they're having now. Every week. With every department. And Phil says it's already smoother.</p><p>We covered a ton:</p><p>→ How merging two firms forced them to redefine their culture from scratch</p><p>→ Why "selflessness" became a core value and what it actually means inside the firm</p><p>→ The litigation strategy his partner uses to make defense attorneys so uncomfortable they sometimes overpay</p><p>→ What accountability looks like when you're 62 people spread across four offices</p><p>→ Why they want a trial date on every case they file, even though they'll probably settle on the courthouse steps</p><p>Phil, I appreciate you being on and sharing the wins and lessons; your firm’s doing serious work and I love to hear the progress!</p><p></p><p>Chapters</p><p>0:00 - Intro</p><p>1:00 - About Turnbull Moak Pendergrass: offices, team, and what they handle</p><p>2:27 - Big verdicts: $15M trucking case and $17.9M product case</p><p>2:54 - Phil's first experience with coaching and why they joined Fireproof</p><p>4:30 - Weekly meetings, accountability, and getting everyone on the same page</p><p>6:53 - Partner buy-in and early wins from the coaching process</p><p>7:20 - Setting core values and letting go of people who didn't fit</p><p>8:32 - Selflessness as a core value and what it means for their clients</p><p>9:31 - Building the org chart and rolling it out to the firm</p><p>10:27 - The five-year vision: more offices, deeper bench, West Coast expansion</p><p>11:59 - Visionary vs. integrator: figuring out the roles inside the new firm</p><p>13:26 - Trial strategy: speed, pressure, and making defense attorneys uncomfortable</p><p>15:46 - Delegation, trust, and investing in the team's growth </p><p></p><p>Connect with Phil</p><p><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/philip-pendergrass-66931242/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/philip-pendergrass-66931242/</a> </p><p></p><p>~~~</p><p>This episode is powered by Fireproof Performance</p><p>Ready to fireproof your firm?</p><p><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.fireproofperformance.com/">https://www.fireproofperformance.com/</a></p><p></p><p>Prefer to listen?</p><p><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7IaooNnVVvvQ483fPz7qAd?si=f9fce90599014a4d">https://open.spotify.com/show/7IaooNnVVvvQ483fPz7qAd?si=f9fce90599014a4d</a></p><p><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-fireproof-podcast/id1895057184">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-fireproof-podcast/id1895057184</a></p><p></p><p>Connect with us!</p><p><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.youtube.com/@FireproofPerformance">https://www.youtube.com/@FireproofPerformance</a></p><p><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/fireproof-performance/">https://www.linkedin.com/company/fireproof-performance/</a></p><p><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.facebook.com/fireproofperformance">https://www.facebook.com/fireproofperformance</a></p><p><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.instagram.com/fireproofperformance/">https://www.instagram.com/fireproofperformance/</a></p>
July 2, 2026
A Decade on the Casino Floor Made Him a Better Lawyer | Chris Rose
<p>Chris F.N. Rose moved to Vegas on his 21st birthday and dealt casino games for a decade before going to law school and eventually opening his own firm.</p><p>He built a referral business aimed at consumers… but after realizing he couldn't compete with the big players he had to scrap the model. </p><p>We covered:</p><p>→ Why he introduces himself as "Chris F.N. Rose"</p><p>→ How ten years dealing craps taught him more about reading people than law school could</p><p>→ The single phone call that triggered his pivot from B2C to B2B</p><p>→ Why declined intake leads are a leak in almost every firm's operation</p><p>→ How he runs his entire business through AI tools</p><p>Chris, thank you for sitting down with us at the 2026 Fireproof Conference and sharing your story with our listeners!</p><p></p><p>Chapters</p><p>0:00 - Introduction</p><p>1:00 - Where the name Chris F.N. Rose came from</p><p>1:53 - Background: Alabama, Vegas, dealing cards for a decade</p><p>3:01 - How LegalFlair works</p><p>3:48 - Declined intake leads as a revenue stream</p><p>5:27 - Running a law firm through AI tools</p><p>6:09 - Ten years on the craps table</p><p>7:07 - Professional poker and why he played cash, not tournaments</p><p>10:23 - Celebrity stories from the casino floor</p><p>12:04 - What dealing taught him about being a lawyer</p><p>15:07 - How to reach Chris</p><p></p><p>Connect with Chris</p><p><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-f-n-rose-esq-661866158/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-f-n-rose-esq-661866158/</a></p><p><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.instagram.com/chrisfnrose/">https://www.instagram.com/chrisfnrose/</a> </p><p></p><p>~~~</p><p>This episode is powered by Fireproof Performance</p><p>Ready to fireproof your firm?</p><p><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.fireproofperformance.com/">https://www.fireproofperformance.com/</a></p><p></p><p>Prefer to listen?</p><p><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7IaooNnVVvvQ483fPz7qAd?si=f9fce90599014a4d">https://open.spotify.com/show/7IaooNnVVvvQ483fPz7qAd?si=f9fce90599014a4d</a></p><p><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-fireproof-podcast/id1895057184">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-fireproof-podcast/id1895057184</a></p><p></p><p>Connect with us!</p><p><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.youtube.com/@FireproofPerformance">https://www.youtube.com/@FireproofPerformance</a></p><p><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/fireproof-performance/">https://www.linkedin.com/company/fireproof-performance/</a></p><p><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.facebook.com/fireproofperformance">https://www.facebook.com/fireproofperformance</a></p><p><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.instagram.com/fireproofperformance/">https://www.instagram.com/fireproofperformance/</a></p>
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<p>Owning a law firm is harder than anyone told you it would be.</p><p>Mike Morse, Kate Nachazel, and Alexa Levantis sit down with attorneys and firm owners to talk about what the job actually looks like — the wins, the bad hires, the pivots, and the moments that almost broke them. Mike built a 290-person firm with $360M in settlements. Every guest has their own version of that story.</p><p>You'll leave each episode with a newfound purpose and the inspiration to keep going, along with practical lessons you can put in place today.</p> - How often does this podcast release new episodes?
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