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May 21, 2026
<p class= "font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"> Collin Slattery (Taikun Digital) joins Brad and Andrew for a no-fluff breakdown of why Google Ads breaks the brain of most DTC operators who cut their teeth on Meta. The core argument lands early and lands hard: your relationship with Google is structurally adversarial in a way your relationship with Meta isn't, because Google can't manufacture more search inventory the way Meta manufactures more feed inventory. The only lever they have to grow revenue is extracting more from advertisers, which means every default setting, every recommendation, and every "AI enhancement" is built to serve them first.</p> <p class= "font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"> From that foundation, Collin walks through the operational stack that actually works: ruthlessly segmenting brand from non-brand across both search and shopping, building a real product feed instead of plugging Shopify into Merchant Center and calling it done, structuring shopping into heroes, sidekicks, villains, and zombies, and treating YouTube Shorts as the only YouTube placement worth touching unless you're running holdout tests. Along the way he drops a study Tyken ran across roughly $20M in spend showing that hidden search terms cost advertisers about $0.85 of efficiency per dollar spent, the case for YouTube being the single most incremental channel in digital (87% net-new traffic for one of his nine-figure clients, plus 34 million Americans reachable nowhere else), and a hard truth that Google scaling is brick-by-brick, never one banger creative away.</p> <p class= "font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"> If you've ever wondered why your Google account "kind of works but never really scales," this is the episode that explains exactly why and exactly what to do about it.<br /> <br /> <strong>Key Takeaways</strong></p> <ul> <li class= "font-claude-response-body whitespace-normal break-words pl-2">How your "5x Google ROAS" is actually just brand search dragging a broken non-brand campaign across the finish line.</li> <li class= "font-claude-response-body whitespace-normal break-words pl-2">How much of your Google spend is being skimmed by search terms Google won't let you see.</li> <li class= "font-claude-response-body whitespace-normal break-words pl-2">Why your relationship with Google is fundamentally adversarial.</li> <li class= "font-claude-response-body whitespace-normal break-words pl-2">How to reach 34 million potential customers that literally cannot be reached on Meta or TikTok.</li> <li class= "font-claude-response-body whitespace-normal break-words pl-2">If you're not running holdout tests, 90% of your YouTube dollars are likely going to the wrong placement.</li> <li class= "font-claude-response-body whitespace-normal break-words pl-2">The four shopping campaign buckets every brand over $1M should be using, and the one that is silently eating 80% of your budget.</li> <li class= "font-claude-response-body whitespace-normal break-words pl-2"> Could this one setting be making your entire Google account non-incremental without you knowing?</li> <li class= "font-claude-response-body whitespace-normal break-words pl-2">Why Google scaling looks nothing like Meta scaling and what it actually means for your monthly growth curve.</li> <li class= "font-claude-response-body whitespace-normal break-words pl-2">The $50/month tool that fixes the feed quality issue almost every Shopify brand is silently losing money on.</li> <li class= "font-claude-response-body whitespace-normal break-words pl-2">When paying for brand search actually makes sense<br /> <div id="block-fd04b1707016a03518ee" class= "sqs-block website-component-block sqs-block-website-component sqs-block-html html-block" data-block-css= "["https://definitions.sqspcdn.com/website-component-definition/static-assets/website.components.html/618a044d-1ac5-4e63-b212-223fd302a28e_580/website.components.html.styles.css"]" data-block-scripts= "["https://definitions.sqspcdn.com/website-component-definition/static-assets/website.components.html/618a044d-1ac5-4e63-b212-223fd302a28e_580/website.components.html.visitor.js"]" data-block-type="1337" data-definition-name= "website.components.html" data-sqsp-block="text" data-website-component-id="fd04b1707016a03518ee"> <div class="sqs-block-content"> <div class="sqs-text-block-container"> <div class="sqs-html-content" data-sqsp-text-block-content=""> </div> </div> </div> </div> </li> </ul> <div id="expanded" class="style-scope ytd-text-inline-expander"> <span class= "ytAttributedStringHost ytAttributedStringWhiteSpacePreWrap" dir= "auto"><span class="ytAttributedStringLinkInheritColor" dir= "auto">This episode of the Scalability School podcast is sponsored by NorthBeam and they just launched Northbeam Incrementality. Northbeam Incrementality gives you easy, automated, self-service incrementality tests, while protecting you from the major mistakes so many people make while running incrementality tests. Your MTA handles the daily tactics, your MMM guides the long-term planning, and Incrementality provides the causal truth. It's a closed loop that allows you to scale what works and cut what doesn't. Right now when you head over to www.northbeam.io/incrementality, they're offering Scalability School listeners 50% off unlimited tests for a year when you join. Just tell them we sent you!<br /> <br /> To connect with Collin, send him a DM at <a href= "https://x.com/CJSlattery">https://x.com/CJSlattery</a> or at: <a href= "https://taikundigital.com/">https://taikundigital.com/</a></span></span></div> <div class="style-scope ytd-text-inline-expander"><span class= "ytAttributedStringHost ytAttributedStringWhiteSpacePreWrap" dir= "auto"><span class="ytAttributedStringLinkInheritColor" dir= "auto">To connect with Andrew Foxwell send an email <a href= "mailto:Andrew@foxwelldigital.com">Andrew@foxwelldigital.com</a></span></span></div> <div class="style-scope ytd-text-inline-expander"><span class= "ytAttributedStringHost ytAttributedStringWhiteSpacePreWrap" dir= "auto"><span class="ytAttributedStringLinkInheritColor" dir= "auto">To connect with Brad Ploch send him a DM at</span> <span class="ytAttributedStringLinkInheritColor" dir= "auto"><a href="https://x.com/brad_ploch">https://x.com/brad_ploch</a></span></span></div> <div class="style-scope ytd-text-inline-expander"><span class= "ytAttributedStringHost ytAttributedStringWhiteSpacePreWrap" dir= "auto"><span class="ytAttributedStringLinkInheritColor" dir= "auto">To connect with Zach Stuck send him a DM at </span><span class="ytAttributedStringLinkInheritColor" dir="auto"><a href= "https://x.com/zachmstuck">https://x.com/zachmstuck</a></span></span></div> <div class="style-scope ytd-text-inline-expander"> </div> <div class="style-scope ytd-text-inline-expander"><span class= "ytAttributedStringHost ytAttributedStringWhiteSpacePreWrap" dir= "auto"><span class="ytAttributedStringLinkInheritColor" dir= "auto">Learn More about the Foxwell Founders Community at</span> <span class="ytAttributedStringLinkInheritColor" dir= "auto"><a href="https://foxwellfounders.com/">https://foxwellfounders.com/</a></span></span></div> <div class="style-scope ytd-text-inline-expander"><span class= "ytAttributedStringHost ytAttributedStringWhiteSpacePreWrap" dir= "auto"><span class="ytAttributedStringLinkInheritColor" dir= "auto">Learn More about the The Hive Haus Creators Community at </span><span class="ytAttributedStringLinkInheritColor" dir="auto"><a class= "ytAttributedStringLink ytAttributedStringLinkCallToActionColor" tabindex="0" href= "https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqblhMSm15ZC0wTmFLdF9VYWZYY3ZHbVc0VDROQXxBQ3Jtc0trVEU4aEpzZVMxTDFuamV1cWZvMTNpM3NHaVpURjhxaWRralBSNVM1YWZYZEI4djlDT3ZPZ2NKdUxUREpsS3VXVEFNeThzdVVWUExVTTVmTmZpYXZPbnhPUDUxNm9Gcm9LQXkxTTVXbHMtcnF2OVZJMA&q=http%3A%2F%2FHiveHausUGC.com%2F&v=lpHVJAHaV2s" target="_blank" rel= "nofollow noopener">http://HiveHausUGC.com</a></span></span></div> <div id="snippet" class="style-scope ytd-text-inline-expander"> </div> <div class="style-scope ytd-watch-metadata"> <div id="video-summary" class= "style-scope ytd-structured-description-content-renderer"></div> <div id="merch-shelf" class= "style-scope ytd-structured-description-content-renderer"></div> <div id="ticket-shelf" class= "style-scope ytd-structured-description-content-renderer"></div> <div id="items" class= "style-scope ytd-structured-description-content-renderer"></div> </div>
May 7, 2026
<p>Marin Istvanic joins Scalability School for a deep tactical session on what it actually takes to scale e-commerce brands to nine figures with paid media on Meta. Marin is one of the most hands-on media buyers in the DTC space, managing upwards of 5 to 7 million dollars a month in ad spend across his agency clients and his own internal brand (and this episode reflects that).</p> <p>The conversation launches right into the hard hitting questions with the debate around ABO versus CBO and when each actually makes sense. Marin's full whitelisting flywheel (300+ influencer profiles, authority pages, dark posts running through multiple handles in the same session), cost cap weekend scaling and what he calls the "gladiators arena" ad set, how he uses different attribution settings as a signal to Meta that a campaign is structurally different, and why he still manually picks every thumbnail across all his accounts. He also shares how he used AI to synthesize his full YouTube library into a 50-page media buying philosophy document and then how he fed his top-spending ads into a landing page template that outperformed the control by 10%.</p> <p><strong>Key Takeaways</strong></p> <ul> <li>ABO vs. CBO - is the debate actually settled, or does the right answer depend on something most people never measure?</li> <li>Is whitelisting dead - or are you just running it wrong?</li> <li>What does a "cost cap weekend scaling" actually look like in practice — and how to spend $25K on a Saturday without blowing up your CPA?</li> <li>How changing this window actually tells Meta this is a different campaign.</li> <li>Why Marin still manually picks every thumbnail - If the "hacks" everyone is chasing are mostly noise, this is what actually moves the needle at scale.</li> </ul> <p>This episode of the Scalability School podcast is sponsored by NorthBeam and they just launched Northbeam Incrementality. Northbeam Incrementality gives you easy, automated, self-service incrementality tests, while protecting you from the major mistakes so many people make while running incrementality tests. Your MTA handles the daily tactics, your MMM guides the long-term planning, and Incrementality provides the causal truth. It's a closed loop that allows you to scale what works and cut what doesn't. Right now when you head over to www.northbeam.io/incrementality, they're offering Scalability School listeners 50% off unlimited tests for a year when you join. Just tell them we sent you!</p> <p>To connect with Marin, send him a DM at <a href= "https://x.com/IstvanicMarin">https://x.com/IstvanicMarin</a></p> <p>To connect with Andrew Foxwell send an email <a href= "mailto:Andrew@foxwelldigital.com">Andrew@foxwelldigital.com</a></p> <p>To connect with Brad Ploch send him a DM at <a href= "https://x.com/brad_ploch">https://x.com/brad_ploch</a></p> <p>To connect with Zach Stuck send him a DM at <a href= "https://x.com/zachmstuck">https://x.com/zachmstuck</a></p> <p> Learn More about the Foxwell Founders Community at <a href="https://foxwellfounders.com/">https://foxwellfounders.com/</a></p> <p> Learn More about the The Hive Haus Creators Community at <a href="http://HiveHausUGC.com">http://HiveHausUGC.com</a></p>
April 23, 2026
<p class= "font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"> The Zach Stuck returns to Scalability School for one of the most packed episodes to date. Coming off a massive run of activity: selling his agency, Homestead to Verndale, co-founding MarsMen and closing a $27.5M Series A with L Catterton (ofcourse lets not forget becoming a new dad, too).<br /> <br /> Zach walks through what actually happened, what it took, and what he'd do differently.</p> <p class= "font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"> The conversation covers three major arcs. First, the sale of Homestead: how it grew from Zach posting case studies on Twitter to an 85-person agency specializing in paid acquisition and email/SMS retention, why they decided to go to market when they did, and what the M&A process actually feels like when you're in the middle of it for the first time. Second, MarsMen: the origin story of the brand, the subscription-first bet that changed everything, and what it means to go from six figures a month to a nine-figure run rate by obsessing over every detail, from landing page, CRO tests, to cohort metrics. Third, the bigger picture: where agencies are headed as AI compresses margins, why surrounding yourself with people ahead of where you want to be is non-negotiable, and what it means to finally be doing the thing you always actually wanted to do.<br /> <br /> <strong>Key Takeaways<br /></strong></p> <ul> <li class="whitespace-normal break-words pl-2">What it actually feels like to sell your agency and what they never tell you before the deal closes </li> <li class="whitespace-normal break-words pl-2">Why media buying-only Agencies likely only have 18 months left to survive </li> <li class="whitespace-normal break-words pl-2">How Mars Men went from six figures to a $100M run rate in under 18 months (without raising a single dollar until it was already printing money) </li> <li class="whitespace-normal break-words pl-2">Knowing when the right time to raise money is for your brand (Hint: It's not when you need it the most)</li> <li class="whitespace-normal break-words pl-2">The one thing most agency owners never do that would make their business 10x more sellable</li> <li class="whitespace-normal break-words pl-2">Why Zach went from agency life to brand building and how it actually feels to be on the other side </li> <li class="whitespace-normal break-words pl-2">What happens when you hire for vibes and smarts over credentials </li> </ul> <p class= "font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"> <span class="ytAttributedStringLinkInheritColor" dir="auto">This episode of the Scalability School podcast is sponsored by NorthBeam and they just launched Northbeam Incrementality. Northbeam Incrementality gives you easy, automated, self-service incrementality tests, while protecting you from the major mistakes so many people make while running incrementality tests. Your MTA handles the daily tactics, your MMM guides the long-term planning, and Incrementality provides the causal truth. It's a closed loop that allows you to scale what works and cut what doesn't. Right now when you head over to www.northbeam.io/incrementality , they're offering Scalability School listeners 50% off unlimited tests for a year when you join. Just tell them we sent you!</span></p> <p class= "font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"> <span class="ytAttributedStringLinkInheritColor" dir="auto">To connect with Andrew Foxwell send an email <a href= "mailto:Andrew@foxwelldigital.com">Andrew@foxwelldigital.com</a></span></p> <p class= "font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"> <span class="ytAttributedStringLinkInheritColor" dir="auto">To connect with Brad Ploch send him a DM at</span> <span class= "ytAttributedStringLinkInheritColor" dir="auto"><a href= "https://x.com/brad_ploch">https://x.com/brad_ploch</a></span></p> <p class= "font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"> <span class="ytAttributedStringLinkInheritColor" dir="auto">To connect with Zach Stuck send him a DM at </span><span class= "ytAttributedStringLinkInheritColor" dir="auto"><a href= "https://x.com/zachmstuck">https://x.com/zachmstuck</a></span></p> <p class= "font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"> <span class="ytAttributedStringLinkInheritColor" dir="auto">Learn More about the Foxwell Founders Community at </span><span class="ytAttributedStringLinkInheritColor" dir="auto"><a href= "https://foxwellfounders.com/">https://foxwellfounders.com/</a></span></p> <p class= "font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"> <span class="ytAttributedStringLinkInheritColor" dir="auto">Learn More about the The Hive Haus Creators Community at </span><span class="ytAttributedStringLinkInheritColor" dir="auto"><a class= "ytAttributedStringLink ytAttributedStringLinkCallToActionColor" tabindex="0" href= "https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbEo1S3dpLU43LTNJcTRvSms3Q0UybXNmN2g1d3xBQ3Jtc0tua1R5ZmNJY3NpWk9Tancxa3NacXVDbURIT2JoNDZINUZleFZmNENWVDg0Zk9zVEZJOUJRZU5GdTJlMlFuUndheWNLcEZlY1dtRVdmMzdvWkhtNXhscXVMNFM4YkpzeXlKYVB2S2p0MUYzLU05NjcxYw&q=http%3A%2F%2FHiveHausUGC.com%2F&v=VIZKliFovg0" target="_blank" rel= "nofollow noopener">http://HiveHausUGC.com</a></span></p>
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