The Tech Savvy Lawyer interviews Judges, Lawyers, and other professionals discussing utilizing technology in the practice of law. It may springboard an idea and help you in your own pursuit of the business we call "practicing law". Please join us for interesting conversations enjoyable at any tech skill level!
The Tech Savvy Lawyer
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The Tech Savvy Lawyer interviews Judges, Lawyers, and other professionals discussing utilizing technology in the practice of law. It may springboard an idea and help you in your own pursuit of the business we call "practicing law". Please join us for interesting conversations enjoyable at any tech skill level!
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May 26, 2026
🎙️Ep. #137 - Family Online Safety, COPPA 2.0, and AI Chatbots: What Every Lawyer Needs to Know 👩⚖️📱
Host Emily Chang interviews Andrew Zach, Senior Policy Counsel at FOSI, about integrating family online safety and COPPA 2.0 into legal practice and AI chatbot use.
May 22, 2026
🎙️ TSL Lab's Deep Dive into Our May 18, 2027, editorial, "AI Won't Replace Solo and Small Firm Lawyers. It Will Supercharge Them"!
<p class="p1">Join us for an AI-powered deep dive into the ethical challenges facing legal professionals in the age of generative AI. Join us for an AI-powered deep dive into the ethical challenges facing legal professionals in the age of generative AI. <span class="s1">🤖</span> In this episode, our Google Notebook LLM bot panelists unpack our May 18th, 2026, editorial, "AI Won't Replace Solo and Small Firm Lawyers. It Will Supercharge Them," and explore how generative AI tools are reshaping daily legal work, supercharging solo and small firm practices, and raising serious questions about competence, confidentiality, and supervision.</p> <p class="p1">We walk through how AI "unbundles" legal tasks, why Jevons Paradox means more demand for lawyers (not less), and how solo professionals can safely treat AI as the junior associate they do not have to hire but still must supervise. You will come away with practical, ethics-conscious strategies to integrate AI into your workflow without sacrificing judgment, client trust, or your license. <span class="s1">⚖️</span></p> <p class="p2"><strong>In our conversation, we cover the following</strong></p> <ul class="ul1"> <li class="li1">00:00:00 – Why "doom hype" around AI is targeting the legal profession and why the collapse-of-lawyers narrative falls apart in real life.</li> <li class="li1">00:01:00 – Introducing Michael D.J. Eisenberg's editorial "AI Won't Replace Solo and Small Firm Lawyers. It Will Supercharge Them."</li> <li class="li1">00:02:00 – Setting ground rules: educational discussion only and why this episode is not legal advice.</li> <li class="li1">00:02:30 – Rethinking what a "job" really is and the idea that legal work is a bundle of tasks, not one monolithic activity.</li> <li class="li1">00:03:00 – Comparing big-firm specialization to the tightly packed bundle of tasks handled by solo and small-firm lawyers.</li> <li class="li1">00:03:30 – Why AI can pull on individual threads in that bundle, but cannot run the whole practice for you.</li> <li class="li1">00:04:00 – The solo master-chef metaphor: AI as the kitchen machine doing prep work while the human focuses on taste and judgment. <span class="s1">🍲🤖</span></li> <li class="li1">00:05:00 – How AI can draft preliminary summaries or case law lists while the lawyer still owns strategy and verification.</li> <li class="li1">00:05:30 – The "mental verification" problem: when typing and thinking used to be the same act for lawyers.</li> <li class="li1">00:06:00 – What changes when AI writes the first draft and why verification must become a separate, deliberate step.</li> <li class="li1">00:06:30 – The risk of hallucinated filings and viral stories of fake cases generated by AI. <span class= "s1">😬</span></li> <li class="li1">00:07:00 – Data points showing the profession is adapting, not dying: more lawyers, more bar-required jobs, rising law school interest.</li> <li class="li1">00:07:30 – Revisiting the e‑discovery panic and predictions that predictive coding would wipe out junior associates.</li> <li class="li1">00:08:00 – How cheaper e‑discovery led to an explosion of data and actually increased demand for legal work.</li> <li class="li1">00:08:30 – Introducing Jevons Paradox and why greater efficiency can increase, not decrease, total demand.</li> <li class="li1">00:09:00 – The widened-highway analogy: more lanes, more traffic, and how that maps onto AI in law. <span class= "s1">🛣️</span></li> <li class="li1">00:10:00 – How AI lets small firms tackle big, complex matters and offer more predictable flat-fee pricing.</li> <li class="li1">00:11:00 – Expanding access to legal services for the middle class and why cheaper legal work grows the market.</li> <li class="li1">00:11:30 – Turning to ethics: ABA Model Rule 1.1 on competence and the duty to understand relevant technology.</li> <li class="li1">00:12:00 – The solo's burden: you are the IT department and the innovation committee, all at once. <span class= "s1">☕💻</span></li> <li class="li1">00:12:30 – A practical definition of technological competence for solos and small firms.</li> <li class="li1">00:13:00 – Starting small with AI: summaries, first-draft emails, and extracting checklists from dense legislation.</li> <li class="li1">00:13:30 – AI as the "junior associate you don't have to hire but must supervise" under Rules 5.1 and 5.3.</li> <li class="li1">00:14:00 – Why you remain responsible for AI's output just as you would for a paralegal or junior lawyer.</li> <li class="li1">00:14:30 – The solo's question: Does it really make sense to write a formal AI policy for just one person?</li> <li class="li1">00:15:00 – How a short written AI policy creates hard boundaries before you are stressed and rushed.</li> <li class="li1">00:15:30 – Defining approved uses, high‑review tasks, and absolute "no-go" zones for AI in your practice.</li> <li class="li1">00:16:00 – Model Rule 1.6 on confidentiality and the special risk solo and small firms face with cloud tools.</li> <li class="li1">00:16:30 – Why pasting sensitive client facts into a generic consumer chatbot is an ethical minefield.</li> <li class="li1">00:17:00 – How consumer AI tools tokenize your text and use it to train future models.</li> <li class="li1">00:17:30 – The "megaphone in a public square" analogy for pasting confidential data into public AI tools. <span class="s1">📣</span></li> <li class="li1">00:18:00 – Moving from megaphones to soundproof vaults: using enterprise modes or legal-specific platforms.</li> <li class="li1">00:18:30 – Why a single data breach can be existential for a solo firm and why clients should care about tool choices.</li> <li class="li1">00:19:00 – Legislative inflation: constant growth in complex rules, norms, and regulations across jurisdictions.</li> <li class="li1">00:19:30 – How AI helps solos track regulatory change, generate client alerts, and update templates in real time.</li> <li class="li1">00:20:00 – Carving out lucrative micro‑niches with AI, such as hyper‑specific regulatory domains.</li> <li class="li1">00:20:30 – Pairing niche expertise with SEO and content marketing so a solo can compete at scale.</li> <li class="li1">00:21:00 – The junior lawyer dilemma: what happens to entry-level training when AI eats the grunt work.</li> <li class="li1">00:21:30 – Why firms still need junior lawyers to build a future bench, not just to type memos.</li> <li class="li1">00:22:00 – What AI fundamentally cannot do: build trust in person, join community events, or create referral networks.</li> <li class="li1">00:22:30 – How automation pushes lawyers toward more human-centric, relationship-focused work. <span class= "s1">❤️</span></li> <li class="li1">00:23:00 – The core conclusion: the real existential threat is the AI-literate competitor down the street, not the robot.</li> <li class="li1">00:23:30 – Treating AI as a supervised junior associate while protecting ethics, productivity, and client outcomes.</li> <li class="li1">00:24:00 – Final reflections: mapping your own "bundle of tasks" and deciding what to offload so you can supercharge yourself. <span class="s1">⚡</span></li> </ul> <p class="p2"><strong>RESOURCES</strong></p> <p class="p2"><strong>Mentioned in the episode</strong></p> <ul class="ul1"> <li class="li1">"AI Won't Replace Solo and Small Firm Lawyers. It Will Supercharge Them" – Editorial by Michael D.J. Eisenberg<br /> https://www.thetechsavvylawyer.page/</li> <li class="li1">American Bar Association Model Rule 1.1 – Competence<br /> <a href= "https://www.americanbar.org/groups/professional_responsibility/publications/model_rules_of_professional_conduct/rule_1_1_competence/"> <span class= "s2">https://www.americanbar.org/groups/professional_responsibility/publications/model_rules_of_professional_conduct/rule_1_1_competence/</span></a></li> <li class="li1">American Bar Association Model Rule 1.6 – Confidentiality of Information<br /> <a href= "https://www.americanbar.org/groups/professional_responsibility/publications/model_rules_of_professional_conduct/rule_1_6_confidentiality_of_information/"> <span class= "s2">https://www.americanbar.org/groups/professional_responsibility/publications/model_rules_of_professional_conduct/rule_1_6_confidentiality_of_information/</span></a></li> <li class="li1">American Bar Association Model Rule 5.1 – Responsibilities of Partners, Managers, and Supervisory Lawyers<br /> <a href= "https://www.thetechsavvylawyer.page/search?q=5.1">https://www.thetechsavvylawyer.page/search?q=5.1</a></li> <li class="li1">American Bar Association Model Rule 5.3 – Responsibilities Regarding Nonlawyer Assistance<br /> <a href= "https://www.thetechsavvylawyer.page/search?q=5.3">https://www.thetechsavvylawyer.page/search?q=5.3</a></li> <li class="li1">Damien Charlotin on AI and legal jobs (referenced argument on AI creating more legal work)<br /> <a href= "https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2026/05/17/ai-isnt-end-legal-profession-its-future/"> https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2026/05/17/ai-isnt-end-legal-profession-its-future/</a></li> <li class="li1">Jevons Paradox – economic concept on efficiency and increased demand<br /> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox"><span class= "s2">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox</span></a></li> </ul> <p class="p1"><span class="s1">👉</span> If this episode helps you think more clearly about AI, ethics, and your own "bundle of tasks," share it with a colleague and subscribe so you never miss a future Tech-Savvy Lawyer deep dive. <span class="s1">🚀</span></p>
May 12, 2026
Ep. #136: How Law Firms Can Actually Use AI: Practical Intake, Document, and Workflow Automation with Hamid Kohan
<p class="p1">My next guest is <strong>Hamid Kohan</strong>, founder of LegalSoft and LawPractice.ai, and one of the most practical voices on applying AI inside real-world law firms.<span class="s1">🧠</span> He joins me to break down how firms can move beyond the "we've done it this way for 40 years" mindset, modernize their tech stack, and start using AI today without taking on unnecessary risk.</p> <p class="p1"><strong>Join Hamid and me as we discuss the following three questions and more!</strong></p> <ul class="ul1"> <li class="li1">What are the top three ways law firms can integrate AI using solutions like LegalSoft and LawPractice.ai into their intake, case management, and document workflows to improve efficiency and accuracy?</li> <li class="li1">From your work directly with law firms, what are the top three challenges lawyers face in adopting AI, and how can they overcome them to modernize their practice?</li> <li class="li1">Looking ahead, what are the top three emerging technologies beyond AI that attorneys should start exploring today to stay competitive in the legal industry?</li> </ul> <p class="p1"><strong>In our conversation, we cover the following</strong></p> <ul class="ul1"> <li class="li1">00:00 – Welcoming Hamid and overview of his tech-heavy environment</li> <li class="li1">00:30 – Why his team is 90% Mac while he stays on PC and Android</li> <li class="li1">01:10 – Running a pure cloud and SaaS setup with no true desktop environment</li> <li class="li1">02:00 – Treating devices as "Uber" to the web and why local power matters less</li> <li class="li1">02:30 – Hardware choices: HP PC, massive Samsung monitors, and 60+ browser tabs as a to‑do list</li> <li class="li1">03:30 – Working across 12 entities and using tabs to monitor departments and initiatives</li> <li class="li1">04:00 – Living in Google Chrome and managing resource usage for heavy browser workflows</li> <li class="li1">04:40 – Chrome extensions Hamid relies on: Adobe, malware protection, McAfee, offline document tools</li> <li class="li1">05:20 – Why he uses Chrome's built-in password manager</li> <li class="li1">05:40 – Android Samsung smartphone and keeping mobile simple</li> <li class="li1">06:00 – Question 1: top three ways to integrate AI into intake, case management, and document workflows</li> <li class="li1">06:20 – How legal is "stuck in the past" and why Hamid saw law firms as a scaling opportunity</li> <li class="li1">07:10 – From CRMs and workflows to KPIs: the pre‑AI foundation for scaling law firms</li> <li class="li1">07:40 – The "sky dropped" moment when AI hit the legal industry</li> <li class="li1">08:10 – Vendor noise, "Me Too AI," and why vertical, single‑purpose AI tools overwhelm firms</li> <li class="li1">08:50 – Why multi-solution AI platforms (like LawPractice.ai) will ultimately win</li> <li class="li1">09:20 – Why firms must start using AI now instead of waiting for perfection</li> <li class="li1">09:50 – Where lawyers should start with AI: document collection as a low‑risk entry point</li> <li class="li1">10:30 – Using AI to automate document requests via SMS, email, and calls</li> <li class="li1">11:00 – AI document summary that checks whether a client sent the correct document</li> <li class="li1">11:40 – Why AI collection and summaries are "risk-free" compared to AI drafting</li> <li class="li1">12:10 – Using AI for document chronologies and conservative workloads</li> <li class="li1">12:40 – Explaining LegalSoft: global virtual staffing for law firms across eight countries</li> <li class="li1">13:30 – How virtual legal staff can cut overhead by up to 75% for firms</li> <li class="li1">14:20 – Why Hamid launched LawPractice.ai to AI‑enable both law firms and LegalSoft's 4,000 professionals</li> <li class="li1">15:10 – Question 2: the top three challenges lawyers face when adopting AI</li> <li class="li1">15:30 – Challenge 1: finding the right AI tool in a crowded, noisy market</li> <li class="li1">16:00 – Challenge 2: underestimating implementation, training, and real‑world usage</li> <li class="li1">16:20 – Case example: an employment firm that changed its view of AI after proper training</li> <li class="li1">17:10 – Challenge 3: signing long-term AI contracts before proper testing</li> <li class="li1">17:30 – Why firms should insist on "try before you buy" pilot periods</li> <li class="li1">18:00 – Making AI usage mandatory to avoid adoption resistance inside the firm</li> <li class="li1">18:40 – Parallels with CRMs like Clio, Filevine, and CasePeer and partial user adoption</li> <li class="li1">19:20 – How poor CRM data entry disrupts the entire legal workflow</li> <li class="li1">20:00 – Question 3: "beyond AI" tech and why Hamid says it's "AI, AI, AI" for now</li> <li class="li1">20:30 – The real three "emerging tech" priorities: selecting, implementing, and integrating AI</li> <li class="li1">21:00 – Why locking into long-term tech contracts is risky in a fast-moving AI landscape</li> <li class="li1">21:30 – The trap of attractive multi‑year discounts and what firms should watch for</li> <li class="li1">22:00 – Where listeners can find Hamid and book a one‑on‑one through LegalSoft</li> </ul> <p class="p1"><strong>Resources</strong></p> <ul class="ul1"> <li class="li1"><strong>Connect with Hamid</strong> <ul class="ul2"> <li class="li1">Website: LegalSoft – <a href= "http://legalsoft.com"><span class="s2">legalsoft.com</span></a> <span class="s1">🌐</span></li> <li class="li1">Website: LawPractice.ai – <a href= "http://lawpractice.ai"><span class="s2">lawpractice.ai</span></a> <span class="s1">🤖</span></li> <li class="li1">LinkedIn: Hamid Kohan (personal profile) - <a href= "https://www.linkedin.com/in/hamid-kohan-0367276/"><span class= "s2">https://www.linkedin.com/in/hamid-kohan-0367276/</span></a> <span class="s1">🔗</span></li> <li class="li1">LinkedIn: LegalSoft company page - <a href= "https://www.linkedin.com/in/hamid-kohan-0367276/"><span class= "s2">https://www.linkedin.com/in/hamid-kohan-0367276/</span></a> <span class="s1">🔗</span></li> </ul> </li> </ul> <p><strong>Mentioned in the episode</strong></p> <ul> <li style="list-style-type: none;"> <ul class="ul2"> <li class="li1">How to Scale Your Stupid Law Firm – book page (example listing)<br /> <a href= "https://www.abebooks.com/9781955242363/Scale-Stupid-Law-Firm-Kohan-1955242364/plp"> <span class= "s2">https://www.abebooks.com/9781955242363/Scale-Stupid-Law-Firm-Kohan-1955242364/plp</span></a></li> </ul> </li> </ul> <ul class="ul2"> <li class="li1">Hardware mentioned in the conversation</li> </ul> <ul class="ul1"> <ul class="ul2"> <li class="li1">Android Samsung smartphone – Samsung Galaxy phones overview<br /> <a href= "https://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/phones/all-phones/"><span class= "s2">https://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/phones/all-phones/</span></a></li> <li class="li1">HP PC laptop/desktop (Hamid's primary computer) – HP consumer laptops & desktops starting point<br /> https://www.hp.com/us-en/home.html</li> <li class="li1">Samsung monitors, including large ultrawide / 62–75 inch displays – Samsung ultrawide monitors<br /> <a href= "https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/monitors/ultra-wide/"><span class="s2"> https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/monitors/ultra-wide/</span></a></li> </ul> </ul> <ul class="ul2"> <li class="li1">Software & Cloud Services mentioned in the conversation</li> </ul> <ul class="ul1"> <ul class="ul2"> <li class="li1">Adobe Chrome extension – Adobe Acrobat PDF browser extension<br /> <a href= "https://www.adobe.com/acrobat/pdf-viewer-extension.html"><span class="s2"> https://www.adobe.com/acrobat/pdf-viewer-extension.html</span></a></li> <li class="li1">Amazon Web Services (AWS) for cloud infrastructure – AWS homepage<br /> <a href="https://aws.amazon.com"><span class= "s2">https://aws.amazon.com</span></a></li> <li class="li1">CasePeer (legal CRM / practice management) – CasePeer overview (representative legal CRM article) <a href= "https://www.casepeer.com/"><span class= "s2">https://www.casepeer.com/</span></a></li> <li class="li1">Chrome built‑in password manager – Chrome password manager info (via browser help path) <a href= "https://chromeenterprise.google/download"><span class= "s2">https://chromeenterprise.google/download</span></a>/</li> <li class="li1">Clio (legal practice management / CRM) – Clio homepage<br /> <a href="https://www.clio.com"><span class= "s2">https://www.clio.com</span></a></li> <li class="li1">Filevine (legal case management platform) – Filevine legal case management page <a href= "https://www.filevine.com/platform/case-management-software/"><span class="s2"> https://www.filevine.com/platform/case-management-software/</span></a></li> <li class="li1">Google Chrome browser – <a href= "https://www.google.com/chrome/browser-tools/"><span class= "s2">https://www.google.com/chrome/browser-tools/</span></a></li> <li class="li1">HubSpot CRM and marketing automation (core operational platform) – HubSpot homepage <a href= "https://www.hubspot.com"><span class= "s2">https://www.hubspot.com</span></a></li> <li class="li1">Malware protection extensions and McAfee tools – McAfee antivirus / security suite <a href= "https://www.mcafee.com/en-us/antivirus.html"><span class= "s2">https://www.mcafee.com/en-us/antivirus.html</span></a></li> </ul> </ul>
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