《码农姐妹》是一档关注科技女性的访谈类播客。主播菜菜是一名工作八年的后端程序员，节目邀请了来自不同领域和多元文化背景的嘉宾，一起打破信息壁垒，深入了解不同的科技岗位。在节目中，你会听到服务端开发、测试开发工程师、项目经理、数据分析师、产品经理等嘉宾们的成长故事，听她们聊聊个人成长、职业规划和女性领导力等话题。 往期节目中，主播会收集码农姐妹信箱中的听众问题，和嘉宾一起探讨。节目双周更新。欢迎各位听众来玩。
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《码农姐妹》是一档关注科技女性的访谈类播客。主播菜菜是一名工作八年的后端程序员，节目邀请了来自不同领域和多元文化背景的嘉宾，一起打破信息壁垒，深入了解不同的科技岗位。在节目中，你会听到服务端开发、测试开发工程师、项目经理、数据分析师、产品经理等嘉宾们的成长故事，听她们聊聊个人成长、职业规划和女性领导力等话题。 往期节目中，主播会收集码农姐妹信箱中的听众问题，和嘉宾一起探讨。节目双周更新。欢迎各位听众来玩。
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February 12, 2026
27. 传统PM如何切入AI Agent基建？代码重塑边界，Look at my eyes直视职场
<p><strong>【本期嘉宾】鳕鱼</strong>：</p><ul> <li><strong>现任职位</strong>：AI Agent 应用基建（Agent Eval/评测）产品负责人</li> <li><strong>行业经历</strong>：资深互联网人，曾任某知名教育 APP 负责人、大厂终端业务 PM。</li> <li><strong>斜杠身份</strong>：独立开发者（小龙手帐 APP）、“氛围茧房”构建者。</li></ul><h3>shownotes</h3><p><strong>🚀 Part 1：AI 觉醒 —— 传统 PM 如何找到转行切入点？</strong></p><ul> <li><strong>02:49</strong> <strong>打破路径依赖</strong>：作为一个多年不写代码的产品经理，我是如何靠 AI 跑通第一个 Hello World 的？</li> <li><strong>08:05</strong> <strong>转行实操</strong>：<strong>找不到 AI 项目做怎么办？</strong> 我是如何用“浏览器插件”解决业务痛点，在团队一战成名的？（低成本积累 AI 经验的捷径）。</li> <li><strong>14:37</strong> <strong>第一性原理</strong>：AI Coding 让我不再是写 PRD 的工具人，而是真正“解决问题的人”。</li> <li><strong>27:00</strong> <strong>提出“毛细产品”理论</strong>：大厂看不上的微小需求，正是我用 AI 填补的价值洼地。</li></ul><p><strong>🔍 Part 2：求职与招聘 —— 面试官眼中的 AI 产品经理</strong></p><ul> <li><strong>30:28</strong> <strong>面试官视角</strong>：<strong>想转 AI 产品？</strong> 如果没有亲手做过 AI Coding 或搭建 Workflow 的经验，我可能不会给机会。</li> <li><strong>33:24</strong> <strong>求职误区</strong>：警惕“氛围茧房”——为什么很多传统 PM 面试时连基本 AI 概念都答不上来？（如何打破信息差）。</li> <li><strong>01:01:48</strong> <strong>职业建议</strong>：非技术背景想转 AI，必须逼自己成为“生产者”吗？（做一个聪明的超级消费者也是一条路）。</li></ul><p><strong>🏗️ Part 3：硬核业务揭秘 —— 传统经验失效了吗？</strong></p><ul> <li><strong>38:23</strong> <strong>业务科普</strong>：Agent 基建不是管服务器，而是管理 Agent 的“不确定性”与“回复质量”。</li> <li><strong>41:28</strong> <strong>能力迁移</strong>：<strong>从超市横幅到 Agent Tracing</strong>。资深 PM 如何复用过往经验，快速理解复杂的 AI 新业务？</li> <li><strong>44:10</strong> <strong>降维打击？</strong> 即使是服务开发者的基建产品，底层逻辑依然是对“人性”的极致洞察。</li></ul><p><strong>🛡️ Part 4：职场高阶生存哲学 —— “Look at my eyes!!”</strong></p><ul> <li><strong>49:13</strong> <strong>高光时刻</strong>：面对情绪化 PUA 时，鳕鱼教我的那句救命咒语 —— <strong>“Look at my eyes!!”</strong></li> <li><strong>52:10</strong> <strong>职场侠义精神</strong>：把 Leader 当作未来的平级同事，建立“独立、平等、尊重”的职场底气。</li> <li><strong>01:04:38</strong> <strong>彩蛋</strong>：J人的资产配置与 FIRE 计划。</li></ul><h3>金句摘录 (Quotes)</h3><ol> <li>“AI Coding 让我从一个设计 PRD 的人，变成了一个直接解决问题的人。”</li> <li>“什么是毛细产品？就是那些大公司不愿意花精力解决，但对我很重要、像毛细血管一样微小却必须的需求。”</li> <li>“面试时我发现很多人连基本概念都不懂，因为他们陷入了‘氛围茧房’，以为大家都知道，其实自己已经落后了。”</li> <li>“职场里，你是我的 Leader 只是工作关系。出了这个门，我们是两个平等的人。Look at my eyes，我们只谈事实。”</li> <li>“想法不值钱，落地的人才值钱。”</li></ol><p>鳕鱼和小伙伴开发的APP</p><figure><img src="https://image.xyzcdn.net/FnhNjUsP94nheN-rAFNPjYWxmwcV.jpg"/></figure>
June 2, 2025
26. 聊聊我们都会面临的职业倦怠
Hosts 菜菜 and kiwi interview Sylvan, a product manager, about the pervasive issue of career burnout, exploring its various manifestations and offering potential strategies for alleviation.
March 8, 2025
25. 回答高频问题：如何与同事合作、向上管理、要不要成为嫡系
<p>姐妹们节日快乐！</p><p>码农姐妹国际劳动妇女节特辑，回答一些高频问题：如何和同事argue、如何向上管理、要不要成为嫡系。最后宣布一个讲述女性榜样故事的新系列。</p><p>shownotes:</p><p>02:25 菜菜和kiwi分享参加她行导师学员互助项目的感受</p><p>03:25 高频问题之一：如何应对 or 和 同事argue </p><p>11:08 argue是最后一步，前面先分析对方诉求，寻求共赢</p><p>15:42 与人合作是“销售”的过程，销售最重要的是对方要买什么</p><p>16:45 高频问题之二：如何向上管理</p><p>45:26 高频问题之三：要不要成为“嫡系”</p><p>49:55 新系列宣布：女性榜样故事系列</p><p>kiwi 提到的书：Radical Candor</p><p>码农姐妹访谈她行创始人 <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episodes/672f02b4f373fe5d4ddfb35e">16.「码农姐妹」x「她行」：五年帮助800位学员，科技领域全女互助社群是如何诞生的？</a></p>
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