一档由几个与互联网一起长大的新生代科技记者主持的播客，致力于站在中美交汇点上，解读全球科技潮流与人文的交织
新新人类 Pixel Perfect
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一档由几个与互联网一起长大的新生代科技记者主持的播客，致力于站在中美交汇点上，解读全球科技潮流与人文的交织
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May 15, 2026
EP20 重生之我在硅谷做CEO！聊聊Cluely和Roy Lee的病毒式营销 What Is Cluely?
<p><strong>【聊了什么 The What】</strong></p> <p>Cluely是一家靠帮人面试作弊起家的AI公司，创始人Roy Lee从哥大退学，拿到a16z领投的千万美元融资，但它在各大平台发布的搞笑短视频系列，比产品本身更出名。这期节目，我们请来传播从业者Ivy，聊聊Cluely这家公司和不走寻常路的创始人Roy Lee。</p> <p>病毒式营销能否真正转化为商业价值？通过模仿中国国际学生出圈的网红Remy Zee加入Cluely，这为什么是Roy Lee做过最正确的商业决策？Lookmaxxing、蛋白质崇拜、公款报销约会费用背后，这家公司的兄弟会文化折射出什么？短剧里女性角色的凝视位置，以及ABG CMO作为硅谷新趋势，又意味着什么？ Roy Lee的走红，是个人天才，还是时代给亚裔男性打开了一扇从未有过的门？在AI重塑硅谷生态的当下，那些曾经循规蹈矩的亚裔男性，正在用一种全新的方式争夺话语权、资本与关注。这场逆袭的代价与边界，值得认真审视。</p> <p>Cluely is an AI company that got its start helping people cheat in job interviews. Its founder Roy Lee dropped out of Columbia, raised millions in funding led by a16z — yet the company's viral comedy video series is far more famous than the product itself. This episode, we sit down with communications professional Ivy to unpack Cluely, and the unconventional founder behind it.</p> <p>Can viral marketing actually convert into business value? Why was hiring Remy Zee — the creator who blew up impersonating Chinese international students — arguably the best business decision Roy Lee ever made? What does Cluely's frat-house culture of lookmaxxing, protein obsession, and expensing employee dates really say about the company? And what does the male gaze baked into their short-form dramas, and the rise of the "ABG CMO" as a Silicon Valley trend, actually mean?</p> <p>Is Roy Lee's rise a story of individual genius — or has the AI era simply opened a door for Asian men that was never there before? As AI reshapes the Silicon Valley ecosystem, Asian men who once played by every rule are now competing for influence, capital, and attention in entirely new ways. The cost of that reinvention, and its limits, are worth examining carefully.</p> <p><strong>【时间轴 The When】</strong></p> <ul> <li><p><a href="#t=00:01:58">00:01:58</a> 哥大退学、面试作弊，融到2000万？</p> </li> <li><p><a href="#t=00:05:53">00:05:53</a> Cluely到底是什么？从作弊软件转型会议纪要与新产品Bounty</p> </li> <li><p><a href="#t=00:08:29">00:08:29</a> 病毒式营销，网红Remy Zee和Ling Long</p> </li> <li><p><a href="#t=00:17:46">00:17:46</a> 公司文化如同兄弟会，Looksmaxxing和表演式男性文化</p> </li> <li><p><a href="#t=00:24:26">00:24:26</a> 性别凝视：短剧里的女性角色与ABG CMO</p> </li> <li><p><a href="#t=00:36:44">00:36:44</a> 亚裔男性的拧巴处境，摇身一变，AI时代亚裔站上聚光灯</p> </li> <li><p><a href="#t=00:41:15">00:41:15</a> Roy Lee，是TikTok时代的成功学大师吗？</p> </li> <li><p><a href="#t=00:48:11">00:48:11</a> 在厕所和VC打电话的Gen Z创始人</p> </li> <li><p><a href="#t=00:47:17">00:47:17</a> 重新定义Agency，社媒影响力并不是全部</p> </li> <li><p><a href="#t=00:59:03">00:59:03</a> Founder-Led传播途径：数字造假风波的反转操作，反映了2026年的媒体玩法</p> </li> <li><p><a href="#t=00:01:58">00:01:58</a> Dropped out of Columbia, cheated in interviews, raised $20M?</p> </li> <li><p><a href="#t=00:05:53">00:05:53</a> What even is Cluely? From cheating tool to meeting notes app and new product Bounty</p> </li> <li><p><a href="#t=00:08:29">00:08:29</a> Viral marketing, influencers Remy Zee and Ling Long</p> </li> <li><p><a href="#t=00:17:46">00:17:46</a> Company culture as a frat house: lookmaxxing and performative masculinity</p> </li> <li><p><a href="#t=00:24:26">00:24:26</a> The male gaze: female characters in their short-form dramas, and the rise of the ABG CMO</p> </li> <li><p><a href="#t=00:36:44">00:36:44</a> The Asian male identity crisis and the AI era glow-up</p> </li> <li><p><a href="#t=00:41:15">00:41:15</a> Is Roy Lee the self-help guru of the TikTok generation?</p> </li> <li><p><a href="#t=00:48:11">00:48:11</a> The Gen Z founder taking VC calls from a bathroom stall</p> </li> <li><p><a href="#t=00:47:17">00:47:17</a> Redefining agency: social media clout isn't the whole story</p> </li> <li><p><a href="#t=00:59:03">00:59:03</a> Founder-led comms: how Roy Lee spun a fake numbers scandal into a viral moment and what it says about media in 2026</p> </li> </ul> <p><strong>【我们是谁 Who We Are】</strong></p> <p>新新人类是一档由几个与互联网一起长大的新生代科技记者主持的播客，致力于站在中美交汇点上，解读全球科技潮流与人文的交织。</p> <ul> <li>马修：一个网瘾晚期的全职养猫人</li> <li>一闻：一个对地铁比手机更上瘾的记者</li> </ul> <p><strong>嘉宾：</strong></p> <ul> <li>Ivy：PR Agency创始人、运营英文订阅信Calling the Shots，并在FT中文网开设专栏《话语圈时代》。在洛杉矶长大的ABC和两个男孩的母亲。</li> </ul> <p><strong>【拓展链接 The Links】</strong></p> <p><a href="https://harpers.org/archive/2026/03/childs-play-sam-kriss-ai-startup-roy-lee/">Child’s Play, by Sam Kriss </a></p> <p><strong>【支持我们 Please Support Us】</strong></p> <p>如果喜欢这期节目并愿意支持我们：</p> <ul> <li>海外用户：patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl</li> <li>海内用户：afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod</li> <li>商务合作邮箱：baihua.pod@gmail.com</li> </ul> <p>If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following:</p> <ul> <li>Those Abroad: patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl</li> <li>Those in China: afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod</li> <li>Business Inquiries Email: baihua.pod@gmail.com</li> </ul>
April 27, 2026
EP19 当一家AI公司被封杀：技术从不中立 Technology Was Never Neutral
<p><strong>【聊了什么 The What】</strong></p> <p>当AI从工具变成武器，人类该如何自处？</p> <p>2026年初，Claude被白宫封杀。这成了AI的公共形象的转折点。这件事让我们意识到，AI可能已经悄悄完成了它的成年礼：它不再只是一个技术话题，而是变成了一个政治问题、一个选边站的时刻。</p> <p>在这期串台节目里，主播一闻和《美轮美换》的主播小华、硅谷投资人磊一起聊了：AI是如何从一个技术问题，变成最烫手的政治问题的。红线到底该由谁来画？当 Super PAC 开始用 AI 的钱打中期选举、当数据中心让红州蓝州的电价一起上涨、当美国公众对 AI 的反感度已经跌穿地板——AI 的“核弹时刻“到底是技术奇点，还是政治奇点？我们也顺便聊了聊中美在这件事上正在经历的两种截然不同的现实。</p> <p>本期播客录制于4月初。</p> <p>When AI Goes from Tool to Weapon, how do we find our footing?</p> <p>In early 2026, Claude was blacklisted by the White House. It became a turning point for AI's public image — and a moment that made us realize AI may have quietly come of age. It's no longer just a tech topic; it's a political issue, a moment that demands you pick a side.</p> <p>In this crossover episode, host Yiwen sits down with Xiaohua, host of The American Roulette, and Lei, a Silicon Valley investor, to unpack how AI went from a technical question to the most politically charged issue of the moment. Who gets to draw the red lines? When Super PACs start spending AI money to swing the midterms, when data centers push up electricity bills across red and blue states alike, when American public sentiment toward AI has fallen through the floor — is AI's "nuclear moment" a technological singularity, or a political one? We also get into the two starkly different realities the U.S. and China are living through on this front.</p> <p>Recorded in early April.</p> <p><strong>【时间轴 The When】</strong></p> <p><a href="#t=03:06">03:06</a> Anthropic与五角大楼撕破脸：AI政治化的转折点</p> <p><a href="#t=04:48">04:48</a> 两条红线：大规模监控与全自主武器</p> <p><a href="#t=07:41">07:41</a> 立法真空下，商业公司被迫当仲裁者</p> <p><a href="#t=10:33">10:33</a> 硅谷政治转向与员工抗议的复活</p> <p><a href="#t=14:33">14:33</a> Anthropic的商业账本：合同不如公众形象值钱</p> <p><a href="#t=17:08">17:08</a> Dario vs Sam Altman：同一天两种结局</p> <p><a href="#t=24:05">24:05</a> Super PAC对AI监管的冲突</p> <p><a href="#t=30:30">30:30</a> AI好感度比ICE还低</p> <p><a href="#t=32:35">32:35</a> 中美两种现实：小龙虾与"温水煮青蛙"</p> <p><a href="#t=38:19">38:19</a> 数据中心、电价与NIMBY：AI恐惧的具象化</p> <p><a href="#t=43:21">43:21</a> 如果AI创造所有GDP，普通人还有筹码吗？</p> <p><a href="#t=50:30">50:30</a> Bernie Sanders的Claude视频与左派的AI叙事</p> <p><a href="#t=53:43">53:43</a> Token出海：中美AI的两种工业体系</p> <p><a href="#t=03:06">03:06</a> Anthropic vs. the Pentagon: The Turning Point of AI's Politicization</p> <p><a href="#t=04:48">04:48</a> Two Red Lines: Mass Surveillance and Fully Autonomous Weapons</p> <p><a href="#t=07:41">07:41</a> In a Legislative Vacuum, Companies Are Forced to Arbitrate</p> <p><a href="#t=10:33">10:33</a> Silicon Valley's Political Shift and the Return of Employee Protest</p> <p><a href="#t=14:33">14:33</a> Anthropic's Business Math: Public Image Beats Government Contracts</p> <p><a href="#t=17:08">17:08</a> Dario vs. Sam Altman: Two Outcomes on the Same Day</p> <p><a href="#t=24:05">24:05</a> Super PACs Go to War Over AI Regulation</p> <p><a href="#t=30:30">30:30</a> AI Polls Worse Than ICE</p> <p><a href="#t=32:35">32:35</a> Two Realities: OpenClaw and the Slow-Boiling Frog</p> <p><a href="#t=38:19">38:19</a> Data Centers, Electric Bills, and NIMBY: Where AI Fear Gets Real</p> <p><a href="#t=43:21">43:21</a> If AI Creates All the GDP, What Leverage Do Ordinary People Have?</p> <p><a href="#t=50:30">50:30</a> Bernie Sanders' Claude Video and the Left's AI Narrative</p> <p><a href="#t=53:43">53:43</a> Tokens Go Global: Two Industrial Systems for AI</p> <p><strong>【我们是谁 Who We Are】</strong></p> <p>新新人类是一档由几个与互联网一起长大的新生代科技记者主持的播客，致力于站在中美交汇点上，解读全球科技潮流与人文的交织。</p> <ul> <li>一闻：一个对地铁比手机更上瘾的记者</li> <li>小华：媒体人</li> <li>Lei：风险投资人</li> </ul> <p><strong>【支持我们 Please Support Us】</strong></p> <p>如果喜欢这期节目并愿意支持我们：</p> <ul> <li>海外用户：patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl</li> <li>海内用户：afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod</li> <li>商务合作邮箱：baihua.pod@gmail.com</li> </ul> <p>If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following:</p> <ul> <li>Those Abroad: patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl</li> <li>Those in China: afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod</li> <li>Business Inquiries Email: baihua.pod@gmail.com</li> </ul>
March 12, 2026
EP18 对话《纽约客》作者刘亦灵：在算法和审查中寻找灵魂自由的舞动 A conversation with Yi-Ling Liu on 'Wall Dancers'
<p><strong>【聊了什么 The What】</strong></p> <p>在这期节目中，我们邀请到了新生代作家 Yi-Ling Liu（刘亦灵），深入聊聊她刚刚出版的英文新书 The Wall Dancers: Searching for Freedom and Connection on the Chinese Internet。</p> <p>亦灵是我们的老朋友，也是一位长期关注中国网络、文化及科技领域的自由撰稿人，曾为《纽约客》等媒体撰写相关文章。这本书对我们来说尤为特别——它是近年来为数不多以“人”为核心，而非聚焦于商业或地缘政治的、关于中国的英文非虚构作品。</p> <p>书名中的核心隐喻是“戴着镣铐跳舞“，这是一个任何在中国互联网上有过亲身体验的人都不陌生的意象。西方媒体对中国互联网的叙事，往往侧重于其封闭性与禁锢感，而刘亦灵则选择透过个体的选择，去呈现中国光怪陆离互联网社群独特的韧性，戏剧张力，和无处不在的隐秘抵抗。</p> <p>在中国特有的网络与科技环境中，她的观察跟随着几位极具代表性的角色：从曾经的微博审查员刘力朋、女权活动家吕频，到成都的说唱歌手Kafe Hu、科幻作家陈楸帆，以及从警察转型为同志社交软件 CEO 的马保力。通过这些人的故事，串联起过去三十年中国互联网的激荡与变迁。</p> <p>在香港出生长大，美国接受教育的亦灵在观察中国时有一种疏离而又颗粒度极高的写作风格。她到底怎么选中了这些主人公，又怎样完成了这部历时数年的大部头？在这本独特的大部头发布之际，中外互联网的变迁又让她有了哪些最新的反思？本期节目因为种种原因我们将只在墙外发布。这也是亦灵首次用中文接受采访——主播安蕤和马修将作为读者，同行和朋友进行发问。</p> <p>In this episode, we are joined writer Yi-Ling Liu to talk in depth about her newly published English-language book, The Wall Dancers: Searching for Freedom and Connection on the Chinese Internet.</p> <p>Yi-Ling is an old friend of the show and a longtime freelance writer focused on China’s internet, culture, and technology, with work published in outlets including The New Yorker. This book feels especially important to us because it is one of the few recent English-language nonfiction books about China that places people, rather than business or geopolitics, at its center.</p> <p>The book’s central metaphor is “dancing in shackles,” an image that is immediately familiar to anyone with lived experience of the Chinese internet. Western media narratives about China’s online world often emphasize its closedness and sense of constraint. Yi-Ling, by contrast, chooses to focus on individual choices, revealing the resilience, dramatic tension, and ever-present undercurrents of quiet resistance within China’s strange and dazzling online communities.</p> <p>Within China’s highly specific internet and technological environment, her reporting follows several deeply representative figures: former Weibo censor Liu Lipeng, feminist activist Lü Pin, Chengdu rapper Kafe Hu, science fiction writer Chen Qiufan, and Ma Baoli, a former police officer who later became the CEO of a gay social networking app. Through their stories, she traces the turbulence and transformation of China’s internet over the past three decades.</p> <p>Born and raised in Hong Kong and educated in the United States, Yi-Ling brings to her observations on China a writing style that is both detached and richly textured. How did she choose these protagonists, and how did she complete this sweeping work over the course of several years? Now that this distinctive book has been published, how have recent changes in both Chinese and global internet culture shaped her latest reflections? For various reasons, this episode will only be released outside the Great Firewall. It is also Yi-Ling’s first time being interviewed in Chinese. Hosts Anrui and Matthew join the conversation as readers, peers, and friends.</p> <p><strong>【时间轴 The When】</strong></p> <ul> <li><p><a href="#t=00:43">00:43</a> - Yi-Ling和《墙之舞者》——“在互联网上寻找自由与连接”</p> </li> <li><p><a href="#t=14:43">14:43</a> - 写作视角“以人为中心”的深度报道过程</p> </li> <li><p><a href="#t=20:19">20:19</a> - 避开空投记者陷阱，深入社群深度访谈</p> </li> <li><p><a href="#t=28:26">28:26</a> - 拾荒式写作：将破碎的社交媒体信息拼凑成口述历史</p> </li> <li><p><a href="#t=44:37">44:37</a> - 意外的反响：西方读者也要开始共舞了吗？</p> </li> <li><p><a href="#t=53:11">53:11</a> - AI陪伴是否会加剧社会的脱节与孤独</p> </li> <li><p><a href="#t=56:09">56:09</a> - 结语及新书购买信息</p> </li> <li><p><a href="#t=00:43">00:43</a> – Yi-Ling and The Wall Dancers: “Searching for freedom and connection on the internet”</p> </li> <li><p><a href="#t=14:43">14:43</a> – A human-centered approach to deeply reported writing</p> </li> <li><p><a href="#t=20:19">20:19</a> – Avoiding the parachute-journalist trap through deep community reporting</p> </li> <li><p><a href="#t=28:26">28:26</a> – Ragpicker-style writing: piecing together fragmented social media traces into oral history</p> </li> <li><p><a href="#t=44:37">44:37</a> – An unexpected response: are Western readers beginning to dance too?</p> </li> <li><p><a href="#t=53:11">53:11</a> – Could AI companionship deepen social disconnection and loneliness?</p> </li> <li><p><a href="#t=56:09">56:09</a> – Closing remarks and information on how to purchase the book</p> </li> </ul> <p><strong>【我们是谁 Who We Are】</strong></p> <p>新新人类是一档由几个与互联网一起长大的新生代科技记者主持的播客，致力于站在中美交汇点上，解读全球科技潮流与人文的交织。</p> <ul> <li>马修：一个网瘾晚期的全职养猫人</li> <li>杜安蕤：一个想当裁缝的科技/文化撰稿人</li> <li>一闻：一个对地铁比手机更上瘾的记者</li> </ul> <p><strong>【支持我们 Please Support Us】</strong></p> <p>如果喜欢这期节目并愿意支持我们：</p> <ul> <li>海外用户：patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl</li> <li>海内用户：afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod</li> <li>商务合作邮箱：baihua.pod@gmail.com</li> </ul> <p>If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following:</p> <ul> <li>Those Abroad: patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl</li> <li>Those in China: afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod</li> <li>Business Inquiries Email: baihua.pod@gmail.com</li> </ul>
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