新新人类 Pixel Perfect
Hosted by Matthew and Yiwen · Matthew, Anrui, Yiwen
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About 新新人类 Pixel Perfect
一档由几个与互联网一起长大的新生代科技记者主持的播客，致力于站在中美交汇点上，解读全球科技潮流与人文的交织
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- 26 Nov 2024
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- 17 Sept 2026
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17 Sept 2026
EP023 黑白屏、Brick、小灵通：实验一周，我们成功戒手机了吗？Did We Kick Our Phone Habit in a Week?
【聊了什么 The What】 我们决定集体戒手机一周，借此机会来聊聊我们和手机之间越来越拧巴的关系。 安蕤自曝日均屏幕时间一度高达11–13小时，马修的手机使用时长会随身边有没有人而剧烈波动，一闻则发现自己在物理隔离时反而最轻松。到底怎么才能戒手机啊？？ 在亲自尝试之后，我们总结了戒手机的三大流派：物理隔离法、以毒攻毒法、一了百了法，体验了从Brick这类硬件到各类自律软件的种种工具，给出了真实反馈。 我们也回溯了手机是怎么一步步从IBM Simon、诺基亚、黑莓这样的生产力工具，演变成今天这块让人欲罢不能的everything产品的？iPhone的诞生、App Store、推送通知、无限滚动、点赞按钮、广告经济和推荐算法——这些拼图是怎么拼在一起，把手机变成了一台口袋里的老虎机的？同时，我们也聊了Kevin Roose和Catherine Price的戒手机实验、Luddite运动的历史，以及中美在"戒手机"这件事上因为微信/社交媒体渗透程度不同而产生的巨大差异。 We decided to spend a week cutting back on our phone use. Then we use the experience to unpack our increasingly complicated relationship with our phones. Anrui confesses that her daily screen time once hit 11-13 hours. Matthew’s phone use swings wildly depending on whether he’s alone or with other people. Yiwen discovers that she feels most at ease when her phone is physically out of reach. Seriously, how do you quit your phone?? After trying it ourselves, we identified three methods: keep your phone physically out of reach, fight tech with tech, or go cold turkey. We tested everything from hardware like Brick to apps designed to keep us in check and shared our honest verdicts. We also trace how phones evolved from productivity tools like the IBM Simon, Nokia, and BlackBerry into today’s irresistible “everything” devices. The iPhone, the App Store, push notifications, infinite scroll, the Like button, the advertising economy, and recommendation algorithms—how did these pieces come together to turn our phones into pocket-sized slot machines? Along the way, we discuss Kevin Roose’s and Catherine Price’s phone detox experiments, the history of the Luddite movement, and the striking differences between quitting your phone in China and the U.S., where WeChat and social media are woven into everyday life in very different ways. 【时间轴 The When】 00:00 (#t=00:00) 为什么要戒手机？ 00:36 (#t=00:36) 日均屏幕时间11-13小时，我们还有救吗？ 07:48 (#t=07:48) 自律石头App 12:17 (#t=12:17) 手机是怎么变成“老虎机”的? 13:28 (#t=13:28) 学习机、MP3/MP4、iPod时代 16:37 (#t=16:37) 智能手机溯源：IBM Simon、诺基亚、文曲星、黑莓 17:45 (#t=17:45) 2007年iPhone推出，成为三合一的革命性产品 19:36 (#t=19:36) 黑莓大众化=打工人"牛马化"的开始 22:51 (#t=22:51) App Store与Push Notification（推送） 23:56 (#t=23:56) Infinite Scroll（无限滚动） 24:34 (#t=24:34) Facebook推出Like（点赞）按钮 25:30 (#t=25:30) 广告经济学和推荐算法的普及 26:03 (#t=26:03) Tristan Harris和“口袋里的老虎机” 35:03 (#t=35:03) 媒介鄙视链：看书 vs. 刷手机，真的有区别吗？ 37:05 (#t=37:05) 负罪感的复杂性 39:01 (#t=39:01) 三大戒手机流派：物理隔离法、以毒攻毒法、一了百了法 45:00 (#t=45:00) Luddite（卢德主义）的历史与当代科技拒绝者 46:14 (#t=46:14) 中美科技观念差异 49:01 (#t=49:01) Kevin Roose的手机锁盒实验 49:32 (#t=49:32) Catherine Price与付费“戒手机挑战” 57:24 (#t=57:24) 所以戒手机一周，我们是否变聪明了？ 00:00 (#t=00:00) Why cutting back on phones? 00:36 (#t=00:36) 11-13 hours of screen time a day—is there any hope for us? 07:48 (#t=07:48) An app that turns a rock into a self-control tool 12:17 (#t=12:17) How did our phones become “slot machines”? 13:28 (#t=13:28) The era of electronic learning devices, MP3/MP4 players, and iPods 16:37 (#t=16:37) Tracing the smartphone’s roots: IBM Simon, Nokia, Wenquxing, and BlackBerry 17:45 (#t=17:45) The iPhone arrives in 2007: a revolutionary three-in-one device 19:36 (#t=19:36) BlackBerry goes mainstream—and work follows us everywhere 22:51 (#t=22:51) The App Store and push notifications 23:56 (#t=23:56) Infinite scroll 24:34 (#t=24:34) Facebook introduces the Like button 25:30 (#t=25:30) The rise of the advertising economy and recommendation algorithms 26:03 (#t=26:03) Tristan Harris and the “slot machine in your pocket” 35:03 (#t=35:03) The media pecking order: is reading a book really different from scrolling? 37:05 (#t=37:05) Our complicated feelings of guilt 39:01 (#t=39:01) Three ways to quit: physical separation, fighting tech with tech, and going cold turkey 45:00 (#t=45:00) The history of the Luddites and today’s tech refusers 46:14 (#t=46:14) How attitudes toward technology differ in China and the U.S. 49:01 (#t=49:01) Kevin Roose’s phone lockbox experiment 49:32 (#t=49:32) Catherine Price and the paid “phone detox challenge” 57:24 (#t=57:24) So, did a week without our phones make us smarter? 【拓展链接 The Links】 Kevin Roose: Do Not Disturb: How I Ditched My Phone and Unbroke My Brain (2019) (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/23/business/cell-phone-addiction.html) Catherine Price的Screen/Life Balance挑战 (%20https://screenlifebalance.com/) Brick（物理锁机硬件） (%20https://getbrick.com/) Opal（游戏化屏幕时间管理APP） (%20https://opalapp.com/) BePresent（游戏化屏幕时间管理APP） (%20https://apps.apple.com/us/app/bepresent-screen-time-control/id1644737181) Tristan Harris: How to Unhijack Your Mind from Your Phone (2016) (https://medium.com/thrive-global/distracted-in-2016-reboot-your-phone-with-mindfulness-9f4c8ad46538) 【我们是谁 Who We Are】 新新人类是一档由几个与互联网一起长大的新生代科技记者主持的播客，致力于站在中美交汇点上，解读全球科技潮流与人文的交织。 马修：一个网瘾晚期的全职养猫人 杜安蕤：一个想当裁缝的科技/文化撰稿人 一闻：一个对地铁比手机更上瘾的记者 【支持我们 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意支持我们： 海外用户：patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl 海内用户：afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod 商务合作邮箱：baihua.pod@gmail.com If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: Those Abroad: patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl Those in China: afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod Business Inquiries Email: baihua.pod@gmail.com
12 Jul 2026
EP022 AI时代，创作者的护城河在哪里 What's Our Moat as Creators in the Age of AI?
【一起来读书吧 Bookclub】 7月24日，我们想和大家一起线上共读Patrick McGee 的热销作品 Apple in China。 这本书细致讲述了苹果如何在中国建立起现代史上最复杂、最高效的制造与供应链体系之一，也讲述了中国如何成为世界上最有价值公司的关键支柱。 作者 Patrick McGee 将在活动最后 30 分钟加入我们，回答大家的问题；问答部分使用英文。 读书会链接：https://luma.com/buwyzrkk (https://luma.com/buwyzrkk) On July 24, we’ll be reading Patrick McGee’s bestselling book Apple in China together online. The book offers a detailed account of how Apple built one of the most complex and efficient manufacturing and supply chain systems in modern history in China. It also tells the story of how China became a crucial pillar of the world’s most valuable company. Author Patrick McGee will join us for the final 30 minutes of the event to answer questions. The Q&A session will be conducted in English. Book club link: https://luma.com/buwyzrkk (https://luma.com/buwyzrkk) 更多活动，请订阅百花新闻信 For more events, subscribe to Baihua newsletter https://baihua.substack.com/ (https://luma.com/buwyzrkk) 【聊了什么 The What】 在AI浪潮席卷全球的当下，内容创造者的边界正在模糊。本期《新新人类》主播一闻带你走进纽约Same Room华语播客节现场，听四位背景迥异的嘉宾共话：AI时代，创造者的“护城河”究竟在哪里？从硅谷大厂的AI从业者到在特教领域手搓视频的电影导演，从文字记者的身份认同困境到物理学博士的科普实验，我们不只谈论技术效率，更深挖技术背后的审美规训与语言不平等。AI能模仿哈姆雷特，但它懂那背后的历史与痛苦吗？本期节目将打破“AI杀死创作者”的二元对立，探讨如何在这个“万物皆可替代”的时代，守住人类最核心的决策力与注意力。 As the AI wave sweeps the globe, the boundaries of content creation are blurring. In this episode of Pixel Perfect, host Yiwen takes you inside the "Same Room Podcast Festival" in New York, where four guests from different backgrounds sit down to discuss a pressing question: in the age of AI, where exactly is a creator's "moat"? From an AI professional at a Silicon Valley tech giant to a film director hand-crafting videos in special education, from a print journalist wrestling with questions of identity to a physics PhD running science-outreach experiments — we don't just talk about technical efficiency. We dig deeper, into the aesthetic conditioning and linguistic inequality lurking behind the technology. AI can imitate Hamlet, but does it understand the history and pain behind it? This episode pushes back against the simplistic "AI will kill creators" binary, exploring instead how to hold onto humanity's most essential faculties — judgment and attention — in an era where "everything can be replaced." 【时间轴 The When】 00:37 (#t=00:37) - 跨界对话：科技从业者与传统媒体背景创作者的 AI 初始体验 08:00 (#t=08:00) - 坦白局：创作者使用 AI 生成初稿时的心理负担与 Stigma 12:56 (#t=12:56) - 实践中的摩擦点：AI 在手语翻译和特定文化场景中的“无能为力” 18:20 (#t=18:20) - 算法不平等：少数语言用户在 AI 时代的资源挤占现状 24:47 (#t=24:47) - 创作的“蒸馏”：AI 能否通过学习顶尖创作者实现高质量产出？ 35:31 (#t=35:31) - 中美差异：为何好莱坞激烈抵制 AI 而国内创作者态度开放？ 40:40 (#t=40:40) - Vibe Coding 警告：失去“把手弄脏”的积累，会削弱底层创造力吗？ 47:29 (#t=47:29) - 护城河之争：辨别力、阐释权与保护注意力的重要性 52:18 (#t=52:18) - Q&A：AI 驱动的短剧 与内容创作的本质意义 69:35 (#t=69:35) - 护城河或许并不存在，享受创作过程本身即是价值 00:37 (#t=00:37) – Crossing Lines: First encounters with AI, from tech workers to traditional media creators 08:00 (#t=08:00) – Confession Time: The psychological burden and stigma of using AI for first drafts 12:56 (#t=12:56) – Friction in Practice: Where AI falls short — sign language translation and culturally specific contexts 18:20 (#t=18:20) – Algorithmic Inequality: How speakers of minority languages get squeezed out of resources in the AI era 24:47 (#t=24:47) – The "Distillation" of Creativity: Can AI produce top-tier work just by learning from top-tier creators? 35:31 (#t=35:31) – US vs. China: Why Hollywood is fighting AI so hard while creators back home stay open to it 40:40 (#t=40:40) – Vibe Coding Warning: Does skipping the "getting your hands dirty" phase erode foundational creativity? 47:29 (#t=47:29) – The Moat Debate: Discernment, the right to interpret, and why protecting attention matters 52:18 (#t=52:18) – Q&A: The AI-driven micro-dramas and what content creation is really for 69:35 (#t=69:35) – Maybe there is no moat — the value is in enjoying the act of creating itself 【支持我们 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意支持我们： 海外用户：patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl 海内用户：afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod 商务合作邮箱：baihua.pod@gmail.com If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: Those Abroad: patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl Those in China: afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod Business Inquiries Email: baihua.pod@gmail.com
2 Jul 2026
EP 21 对谈前从业者：横店凉了，美国人在好莱坞拍中国短剧 Short drama takes Hollywood
【一起来读书吧 Bookclub】 7月24日，我们想和大家一起线上共读Patrick McGee 的热销作品 Apple in China。 这本书细致讲述了苹果如何在中国建立起现代史上最复杂、最高效的制造与供应链体系之一，也讲述了中国如何成为世界上最有价值公司的关键支柱。 作者 Patrick McGee 将在活动最后 30 分钟加入我们，回答大家的问题；问答部分使用英文。 读书会链接：https://luma.com/buwyzrkk (https://luma.com/buwyzrkk) On April 18, we’ll be reading Patrick McGee’s bestselling book Apple in China together online. The book offers a detailed account of how Apple built one of the most complex and efficient manufacturing and supply chain systems in modern history in China. It also tells the story of how China became a crucial pillar of the world’s most valuable company. Author Patrick McGee will join us for the final 30 minutes of the event to answer questions. The Q&A session will be conducted in English. Book club link: https://luma.com/buwyzrkk (https://luma.com/buwyzrkk) 【聊了什么 The What】 先婚后爱、霸道总裁、带球跑、半人半兽但只对女主温柔的狼人。是这些土得掉渣、狗血又cheap的关键词，让短剧走进了美国中西部家庭主妇的内心。短剧，可能是中国最成功的文化出海产品之一。 这一期我们请来了海外短剧前从业者木薯，从片场第一线聊聊：短剧为什么能从中国一路拍到美国？它到底是影视工业、网文改编，还是一种披着内容外衣的科技产品？当导演、演员、制片、平台都在给数据和算法打工，谁才是真正的创作者？ 我们也聊到了短剧背后，复杂且动荡的影视行业：好莱坞罢工，意外成就了短剧。怀揣梦想的电影学院中国留学生，从“毕业即失业”变成“毕业即进组”。霸总、狼人、先婚后爱和带球跑背后，代表着怎样的感情观与创伤？以及让我们不停上头的AI水果短剧，可能是短剧的未来吗？ 短剧像一颗高剂量、裹着糖衣的短效止痛片。它精准诊断了普通人最难以启齿的欲望和痛苦，但却无法进行治疗。它只是在最关键的地方停下来，然后让你付费看下一集。 Contract marriage-to-love, domineering CEOs, secret babies, and half-human, half-beast werewolves who are gentle only to the female lead. These cheesy, melodramatic, low-budget tropes are what brought short dramas into the hearts of housewives across the American Midwest. Short dramas may be one of China’s most successful cultural exports. In this episode, we are joined by Mushu, a former practitioner in the overseas short drama industry. From the front lines of the set, we talk about how short dramas made their way from China to the U.S.; whether they are a product of the film and television industry, an adaptation of web fiction, or a tech product disguised as content; and when directors, actors, producers, and platforms are all working for data and algorithms, who actually gets to be called the creator? We also talked about the complicated and turbulent film and television industry behind short dramas: how the Hollywood strikes unexpectedly helped short dramas take off; how Chinese film school students with big dreams went from “graduating into unemployment” to “graduating straight onto a set”; what kinds of ideas about love and trauma lie behind domineering CEOs, werewolves, contract marriage-to-love, and secret babies; and whether the endlessly addictive AI fruit dramas might be the future of short dramas. Short dramas are like a high-dose, sugar-coated, short-acting painkiller. They diagnose ordinary people’s most unspeakable desires and pain with precision, but they cannot actually treat them. Instead, they stop at the most crucial moment, and ask you to pay for the next episode. 【时间轴 The When】 05:23 (#t=05:23) 嘉宾木薯：从2022年开始参与海外短剧制作的前从业者 10:04 (#t=10:04) 商业体系的收益，独立制作的剧组：短剧片场的奇怪混合体 14:06 (#t=14:06) 短剧演技差，真的能怪演员吗？ 17:18 (#t=17:18) 数据告诉平台：下跪、扇巴掌和付费欲望之间的关系 23:50 (#t=23:50) 短剧给了谁机会？中国影视留学生的“毕业即就业” 27:18 (#t=27:18) 好莱坞萧条、演员罢工，和短剧片场的起飞 33:16 (#t=33:16) 中国式连轴转遇到美国劳工保护：“我们通常都这么干” 38:02 (#t=38:02) 和美国演员合作：网红、表演梦和生存压力 41:13 (#t=41:13) 爆款演员：短剧也在复制明星工业 44:30 (#t=44:30) 谁在看海外短剧？Midwest housewife与心理补偿 47:53 (#t=47:53) 先婚后爱、狼人、带球跑：短剧套路背后的情感需求 56:19 (#t=56:19) AI进入短剧：编剧工资减半，工作量反而变大 01:02:51 (#t=01:02:51) 为什么水果能演出真人拍不了的drama？ 01:12:33 (#t=01:12:33) 为什么离开短剧行业？“我发现我很久没有抬头看天空了” 05:23 (#t=05:23) Mushu: a former short drama practitioner who began working in the industry in 2022 10:04 (#t=10:04) The profits of a commercial system, the crew of an indie production: the strange hybrid that is the short drama set 14:06 (#t=14:06) Can we really blame the actors for bad acting in short dramas? 17:18 (#t=17:18) Data tells platforms what connects kneeling, slapping, and the desire to pay 23:50 (#t=23:50) Who did short dramas create opportunities for? Chinese film students and the shift from “graduating into unemployment” to “graduating into work” 27:18 (#t=27:18) Hollywood’s downturn, the actors’ strike, and the rise of the short drama set 33:16 (#t=33:16) China’s round-the-clock production pace meets American labor protections: “This is just how we usually do things” 38:02 (#t=38:02) Working with American actors: non-union labor, influencers, acting dreams, and the pressure to survive 41:13 (#t=41:13) Breakout actors: short dramas are also replicating the star-making machine 44:30 (#t=44:30) Who watches overseas short dramas? The Midwest housewife and psychological compensation 47:53 (#t=47:53) Contract marriage-to-love, werewolves, and secret babies: the emotional needs behind short drama tropes 56:19 (#t=56:19) AI enters short dramas: writers’ pay is cut in half, but their workload gets heavier 01:02:51 (#t=01:02:51) Why can fruit act out drama that real people can’t? 01:12:33 (#t=01:12:33) Why leave the short drama industry? “I realized I hadn’t looked up at the sky in a long time.” 【拓展链接 The Links】 MIT科技评论：中国短剧如何成为AI制片厂 (https://www.technologyreview.com/2026/05/15/1137326/chinese-short-dramas-ai/) 复制中国“流量密码”，90秒短剧正霸屏美国 (https://www.wsj.com/video/china/A0EF3916-BBDA-44EF-9E1C-1CAE1BA2E241) 【我们是谁 Who We Are】 新新人类是一档由几个与互联网一起长大的新生代科技记者主持的播客，致力于站在中美交汇点上，解读全球科技潮流与人文的交织。 马修：一个网瘾晚期的全职养猫人 一闻：一个对地铁比手机更上瘾的记者 嘉宾： 木薯：前北美短剧从业者 【支持我们 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意支持我们： 海外用户：patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl 海内用户：afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod 商务合作邮箱：baihua.pod@gmail.com If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: Those Abroad: patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl Those in China: afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod Business Inquiries Email: baihua.pod@gmail.com
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