In Conversation with Janina Fisher features intimate, unscripted dialogues between Dr. Janina Fisher and leading voices in trauma therapy. Each episode explores the nuances of healing—from attachment wounds and somatics to IFS, memory reconsolidation, and anti-oppressive care. Thoughtful, relational, and deeply human, these conversations offer insight and inspiration for clinicians and curious minds alike.
In Conversation with Janina Fisher: Wisdom Between Colleagues; Insights For Us All
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In Conversation with Janina Fisher features intimate, unscripted dialogues between Dr. Janina Fisher and leading voices in trauma therapy. Each episode explores the nuances of healing—from attachment wounds and somatics to IFS, memory reconsolidation, and anti-oppressive care. Thoughtful, relational, and deeply human, these conversations offer insight and inspiration for clinicians and curious minds alike.
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July 8, 2026
Your Left Brain Says You're Fine. Your Right Brain Knows You're Not.
<p>In this fascinating episode of In Conversation with Janina Fisher, Janina Fisher sits down with psychiatrist and neuroscientist Fredric Schiffer to explore a provocative question: can trauma be understood as a dialogue between two distinct “minds” within the same brain?</p><p>Drawing from decades of clinical work and neuroscience research, Schiffer shares how his pioneering “dual-brain psychology” emerged from split-brain studies and his observations that trauma survivors often seem to shift between profoundly different states of self. Together, he and Janina examine how one hemisphere may carry the emotional imprint of trauma while the other holds a more grounded, resilient perspective—offering a compelling framework for understanding internal conflict, fear, and healing.</p><p>Their conversation bridges neuroscience and psychotherapy, touching on the lasting effects of traumatic memory, why insight alone often cannot override fear, and how healing may happen when the healthier parts of the self can connect compassionately with the wounded parts. This episode offers a rich exploration of the brain’s adaptability and the deeply relational process of trauma recovery.</p><ul><li><p><strong>Trauma can create sharply different self-states</strong></p></li><li><p><strong>The two hemispheres of the brain may process emotional experience differently</strong></p></li><li><p><strong>Healing is not just cognitive—it is experiential</strong></p></li><li><p><strong>A healthier part of the self can support the traumatized part</strong> </p></li><li><p><strong>Neuroscience can validate lived experience.</strong><br></p></li></ul><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Dr. Schiffer is an assistant professor of psychiatry, part-time, at Harvard Medical School and research associate at McLean Hospital. He has developed a theory of psychology that is the subject of his recent book Goodbye Anxiety, Depression, Addiction, & PTSD: The Life-Changing Science of Dual Brain Psychology. The theory has been studied extensively at Harvard and its clinical applications have been articulated in multiple peer-reviewed publications. Dr. Schiffer is also the Founder and CEO of MindLight, LLC which has received 2 SBIR grants from the US National Institute on Drug Abuse that were give an FDA Breakthrough Designation for the treatment of opioid addiction. He has a private practice of psychiatry in Newton, Massachusetts, USA</p><p>https://dualbrainpsychology.com/</p><p><strong>Books:</strong></p><p>Of Two Minds</p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Two-Minds-Revolutionary-Dual-Brain-Psychology-ebook/dp/B001PO6CMK/ref=sr_1_1?crid=211HASIEUKUKI&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.xV8hnS3a19gKRei-jFVGJsij5GooeoQMnr847BIMRGCj6DDirhPGo1B_Rp4M6JEPkUxU_edZMfoRYxjd8rXXVI1HRnvgRfTFc5EylUFxyC-vf5KnteegxS6T4Xn1-seSKtksvSw7Q85UZ8xCzRGN2g.lTn1SDp4auJQ9Zp_6aXZHyoG8ih8BTx40F6Yc__LWjk&dib_tag=se&keywords=frederic+Schiffer&qid=1778621398&sprefix=frederic+schiffer%2Caps%2C146&sr=8-1"><u>https://www.amazon.com/Two-Minds-Revolutionary-Dual-Brain-Psychology-ebook/dp/B001PO6CMK/ref=sr_1_1?crid=211HASIEUKUKI&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.xV8hnS3a19gKRei-jFVGJsij5GooeoQMnr847BIMRGCj6DDirhPGo1B_Rp4M6JEPkUxU_edZMfoRYxjd8rXXVI1HRnvgRfTFc5EylUFxyC-vf5KnteegxS6T4Xn1-seSKtksvSw7Q85UZ8xCzRGN2g.lTn1SDp4auJQ9Zp_6aXZHyoG8ih8BTx40F6Yc__LWjk&dib_tag=se&keywords=frederic+Schiffer&qid=1778621398&sprefix=frederic+schiffer%2Caps%2C146&sr=8-1</u></a></p><p><a href="https://dualbrainpsychology.com/good-bye-anxiety-depression-addiction-ptsd-the-life-changing-science-of-dual-brain-psychology">Good-Bye Anxiety, Depression, </a>Addiction<a href="https://dualbrainpsychology.com/good-bye-anxiety-depression-addiction-ptsd-the-life-changing-science-of-dual-brain-psychology">, and PTSD</a></p><p><a href="https://dualbrainpsychology.com/good-bye-anxiety-depression-addiction-ptsd-the-life-changing-science-of-dual-brain-psychology"><u>https://dualbrainpsychology.com/good-bye-anxiety-depression-addiction-ptsd-the-life-changing-science-of-dual-brain-psychology</u></a></p><p>Dr. Schiffer’s Papers:</p><p><a href="https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1aJk1vEbT1cMpcGF1sBgftrIoNwwDNvLT"><u>https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1aJk1vEbT1cMpcGF1sBgftrIoNwwDNvLT</u></a></p><p><br></p>
June 30, 2026
Healing the World, Healing Ourselves
<p>In this timely and thought-provoking conversation, Janina Fisher sits down with somatic therapist, activist, author, and social change leader Staci Haines to explore the profound relationship between personal healing and collective transformation.</p><p>Drawing on more than three decades of work at the intersection of trauma recovery and social justice, Staci challenges the idea that trauma exists only within individuals. Instead, she invites us to consider how systems of oppression, violence, inequality, and disconnection shape both our nervous systems and our societies—and why healing must address both.</p><p>Together, Janina and Staci discuss what it means to pursue healing in a world that often feels unsafe, how trauma lives not only in events but in environments, and why resilience grows through connection, community, and shared purpose. They reflect on the emotional toll of living in turbulent times, the importance of finding beauty and “micro-joys” amid uncertainty, and the role of embodied healing in helping us stay engaged rather than overwhelmed.</p><p>From childhood trauma and social movements to climate anxiety, community care, and intergenerational hope, this conversation offers a powerful vision of healing that extends beyond the therapy room and into the broader world we are creating together.</p><p>Whether you're a clinician, activist, or someone trying to navigate these challenging times with greater courage and compassion, this episode offers inspiration, perspective, and a reminder that healing and social change are deeply connected.</p><ul><li>Trauma is not only about what happens to us—it is also about the environments and systems we live within</li><li>Personal healing and social change are not separate endeavors</li><li>Systems built on “power over” relationships often create the conditions for trauma, oppression, and disconnection</li><li>Community is one of the most powerful antidotes </li><li>Healing helps us access the resilience needed to stay engaged with the challenges of our time</li><li>Embodied practices can help transform fear and helplessness into presence, purpose, and action</li><li>Working toward a more just and life-affirming future is both a healing practice and an act of hope</li></ul><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Staci has been experimenting at the intersections of personal and social transformation for the last 30 years through the work of politicized somatics, trauma healing, embodied leadership, and transformative justice. Her work brings transformative capacity building social and climate justice leaders, organizations and alliances. </p><p>She is currently the co-lead of<a href="https://theouterworkproject.org/"><u> The Outer Work Project,</u></a> an initiative partnering with internationally known trauma healing and embodiment leaders, and their communities, to mobilize thousands of new people into progressive social movements. <strong>The first cohort starts July 11th!</strong></p><p>Staci is the author of The Politics of Trauma: Somatics, Healing and Social Justice (2019) and Healing Sex: A Mind Body Approach to Healing Sexual Trauma. She co-founded generative somatics and founded generationFIVE, committed to ending child sexual abuse within five generations. </p><p><a href="https://www.stacihaines.com/"><u>https://www.stacihaines.com/</u></a></p><p>The Outer Work Project</p><p><a href="https://theouterworkproject.org/"><u>https://theouterworkproject.org/</u></a></p><p><strong>Staci’s Books:</strong></p><p>The Politics of Trauma: Somatics, Healing, and Social Justice</p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Politics-Trauma-Somatics-Healing-Justice/dp/1623173876"><u>https://www.amazon.com/Politics-Trauma-Somatics-Healing-Justice/dp/1623173876</u></a></p><p><br></p><p>Healing Sex: A Mind-Body Approach to Healing Sexual Trauma</p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Healing-Sex-Mind-Body-Approach-Sexual/dp/1573442933"><u>https://www.amazon.com/Healing-Sex-Mind-Body-Approach-Sexual/dp/1573442933</u></a></p><p><br></p><p>Trainings:</p><p><a href="https://www.stacihaines.com/self-paced"><u>https://www.stacihaines.com/self-paced</u></a></p><p><br></p>
June 24, 2026
Shame Is Almost Always an Attachment Wound
<p>In this heartfelt episode of In Conversation with Janina Fisher, Janina sits down with longtime colleague and dear friend Deirdre Fay, a pioneering voice in somatic and attachment-based trauma treatment. Reflecting on nearly three decades of shared work, they revisit the early days of trauma therapy—when integrating the body, creativity, and relational healing into psychotherapy was still considered radical.</p><p>Together, Janina and Deirdre explore how healing from trauma requires more than revisiting painful memories. They discuss the importance of building safety first, helping clients develop the capacity to “notice” rather than become overwhelmed by their internal experiences, and using the body as a gateway to compassion and connection. Their conversation touches on the power of externalization, the role of creativity in trauma treatment, and how shame often emerges not as a personal flaw but as an attachment wound.</p><p>This episode offers a rich and deeply human reflection on how trauma treatment has evolved—and how healing happens through tiny steps, community, and learning to turn toward what nourishes us.</p><ul><li><p><strong>Safety is the foundation of trauma healing</strong></p></li><li><p><strong>Healing involves both body and mind</strong></p></li><li><p><strong>“Notice you noticing” is a powerful therapeutic skill</strong></p></li><li><p><strong>Shame is often an attachment wound</strong></p></li><li><p><strong>Community reduces isolation and shame</strong></p></li></ul><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Deirdre Fay believes that a good life is not an accident, but the result of consistently choosing compassion, connection, and inner growth. She invites people to experience life itself as a kind of modern-day Bodhisattva training — learning to listen deeply to the inner wisdom that can guide us through life’s challenges and transitions.</p><p>Her work resonates with those who appear successful on the surface yet privately struggle with shame, anxiety, depression, emotional distress, or repetitive relationship patterns. Through a transformational methodology developed over more than forty years of clinical practice and teaching, Deirdre offers practical pathways toward building what she calls a Solid, Steady, Secure Self.</p><p>Rooted in trauma therapy, attachment theory, yoga, and contemporary neuroscience, Deirdre integrates modern therapeutic approaches with wisdom traditions to help people transform suffering into a more fulfilling life. More recently, she has been exploring the use of creative arts as a way of externalizing inner experience and helping people find words for what has previously remained unspoken. Her work has been described as “a radically positive approach to life.”</p><p>https://www.dfay.com/</p><p>Attachment-Based Yoga & Meditation for Trauma Recovery: Simple, Safe, and Effective Practices for Therapy</p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Attachment-Based-Yoga-Meditation-Trauma-Recovery/dp/0393709906"><u>https://www.amazon.com/Attachment-Based-Yoga-Meditation-Trauma-Recovery/dp/0393709906</u></a></p><p><br></p>
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